Could Phoebe have another name?

[millymcb]

Hi all


I was wondering if Phoebe might be used as a short name for something else?   Or if a Catholic baptism/marriage may spell it very differently.  I've tried Phoebe, Phebe, Feebe and Febe etc ....but if anyone has any other suggestions I'd love to hear them!

Thanks!

Milly

[avm228]

Hmmm... not really, that I can think of. Perhaps a middle name?

Who are you looking for and where?

Anna

[millymcb]

She's coming up on a 1851 and 1861 census as wife of James Parkinson living with son Joseph.   But as Joseph's birth is about 1834 there's no birth certificate and no way to show whether she is his mother or not.   


In 1851 living at 10 Fox Street, All Souls, Manchester.

James Parkinson    (43) Cotton power loom weaver   B 1808 WIGAN
Phoebe Parkinson       (39) Cotton power loom weaver   B  1812 (could read Bristol but probably should be BOLTON)
Joseph Parkinson    (18) Cotton loom weaver  B 1833 Manchester
Henry Taylor                (26) VISITOR
HO107;2226; 597; p 27; roll: 87236


IN 1861 living at 5 Taylor's Court, Ardwick, Chorlton

James Parkinson      (53)  WEAVER B 1808 WIGAN
Phoebe Parkinson     (49)  B 1812 BOLTON

Joseph Parkinson      (28)  COTTON WEAVER B 1833 MANCHESTER
Ellen Parkinson              (25)   B 1836 STOCKPORT
Ann Eliza Parkinson       (2)

Rebecca Ross                 (18)    LODGER
RG9; 2869; 107; P 5; Roll: 543041



There was a thread last year about it 
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,219202.msg1144727.html#msg1144727
- which came up with a Phoebe France marrying a James Parkinson (both 2nd marriages)- but it was rather a long way from where they should have been so not conclusive...and people thought it unlikely. Plus the marriage was in 1834 - probably just before Joseph's birth so she could have been his mother...

But either way - she should be showing up in 1841 census.....and she isn't!   I have a couple of possibilities for death for her - but neither where I would expect them to be (ie Ardwick)... She's a bit of a mystery woman.

We have no other Phoebes in the family ever -and as my lot were very keen on naming patterns it makes me doubly suspicious that she is a second wife and not Joseph's mother.   


She's creating a bit of a brick wall at the moment


Milly

[buttercup]

Hi there,

don't know if this is any help at all but i have found this:

Joseph PARKINSON ch. 25 Aug 1833 Manchester Cathedral

Parents James and Ann PARKINSON

This is an extracted record from the IGI, maybe worth a look??

Regards Jen

[millymcb]

Thanks Buttercup - yes that s the one that I think looks most likely - especially given that Joseph's first daughter was called Ann.     

If I can sort out who Phoebe is and where she fits in (and prove she isn't Joseph's mother) then I can consider Ann as a first marriage.   

Milly

[avm228]

Having now looked at your other thread - I don't know whether you ever found the 1841 for the family, but this looks like father & son to me:

Ardwick, Chorlton, Manchester

John Parkinson 30 Weaver
Joseph Parkinson 8

both born in county

HO107/578 bk 3 folio 13 p13

Anna


Oops - sorry, wrong first name for Parkinson snr!  I'll get back to watching the Olympics...

[Just Kia]

Ann PARKINSON d. Q3 1837 Bolton vol21 page 51

[millymcb]

Hi Anna....

Dad is supposed to be James (from Joseph's marriage cert) but other than that it looks a possibility.   I had wondered about that one too.

If that was James and Joseph it would mean Joseph's mother died between 1834 and 1841.  leaving him free to marry Pheobe ready for the 1851 census.

However ......  The only marriage I can find for a Parkinson and a Phoebe is Pheobe France in 1834.... which does not fit with the theory - as she would be with them in 1841. 

So - I come back to my problem of where did Phoebe come from?  If she is not the one from1834 and father and son were alone in 1841 then they must have married after 1841 .....and so I should be able to find a marriage cert.   But I can't. 


 

Milly

[millymcb]

Ann PARKINSON d. Q3 1837 Bolton vol21 page 51

Thanks...

I think Bolton might be too far away from where they are supposed to be.    Joseph was born Manchester so by 1834 they were in Manchester and they seem to have lived around Ardwick for their whole life after that...  The only connection with Bolton is as Pheobe's birthplace which is a bit removed from Ann.


Milly