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Gretna Green Marriage ???
« on: Friday 29 August 08 23:27 BST (UK) »
Hello Listers

I hope I am on the right site for a marriage that may have taken place in Gretna Green!!

Leslie George Thomas Garrattley married Louisa (or Louie) Nix but I cannot find them anywhere.  I believe this is a second marriage, first child Jane born in 1923.  They only had two children that survived because Louisa must have reached the end of her child bearing years.

I have their death certificates which gives me a rough indication of their ages. Leslie George born 1887 and Louisa born 1885.

It's a last resort before I put them on the back burner for a while.
I hope someone can help please.

Best Regards
Shirley

My research interests are as follows:
TROW, Jane Elizabeth,(nee Evans) died 1864 in Dorrington, Condover
TROW Jane, Kerry, Montgomeryshire abt 1777 GARDINER Edward, Shropshire, abt 1764
TUDOR Martha, Kerry, Montg abt 1762
JONES Richard, Llangedwin, Debighshire 1794
UNKNOWN Anne, Shrewsbury? Shropshire abt 1794
STALEY James, Lydbury North, Shrops abt 1772
CORNS Margaret, Lydbury North, Shrops 1769
MILLS Joseph, Golon, Llanbister, Radnorshire
CORFIELD John, St Chads, Shrews 1773

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Re: Gretna Green Marriage ???
« Reply #1 on: Friday 29 August 08 23:43 BST (UK) »
Hi Shirley,

Do you know for sure that they married at all?

What do you know of any previous marriages?  I see none for Louisa but a possible one for Leslie in 1914 to a Sarah E. Picton (Dec 1914 Horsham) with one likely son of the marriage in 1915.

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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Gretna Green Marriage ???
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 30 August 08 10:17 BST (UK) »
Hello Anna

I found that to be the only one and I sent for the certificate hoping it would give me some clue.  I figured it could be possible for him to have been posted to Horsham if he was in the Army and I did find some Army Records for him (that's if it is my LGT Garrattley.

I thought that Sarah Garrattley must have died for him to have married again, but I couldn't find a death for her.

What name is the son you found in 1915 Anna?

I can't be sure that they were married, I can only assume that they got married, I wouldn't like to tell my daughter in law that her Great Grandparents were living in sin!

Thank you for helping.

Best wishes
Shirley
My research interests are as follows:
TROW, Jane Elizabeth,(nee Evans) died 1864 in Dorrington, Condover
TROW Jane, Kerry, Montgomeryshire abt 1777 GARDINER Edward, Shropshire, abt 1764
TUDOR Martha, Kerry, Montg abt 1762
JONES Richard, Llangedwin, Debighshire 1794
UNKNOWN Anne, Shrewsbury? Shropshire abt 1794
STALEY James, Lydbury North, Shrops abt 1772
CORNS Margaret, Lydbury North, Shrops 1769
MILLS Joseph, Golon, Llanbister, Radnorshire
CORFIELD John, St Chads, Shrews 1773

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Re: Gretna Green Marriage ???
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 30 August 08 11:23 BST (UK) »
Hi Shirley

The reason I didn't post the son's name (found on www.freebmd.org.uk) was in case he was still alive - we are not supposed to post details of potentially still-living people on here.

In any case, having now found what is likely to be his death I can safely post it:

Birth: Dec 1915


Noel S. Garrattley, mother's maiden name Picton, Amersham 3a 1514

Death: Jun 2003

Selwyn Noel Garrattley, dob 16 Oct 1915, Trafford A54A 015/1A 139


Anna :)
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)


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Re: Gretna Green Marriage ???
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 30 August 08 11:41 BST (UK) »
Thank you Hannah ~ I did have Noel S Garrattley on file, just in case his father was LGT Garrattley, but I didn't have his death, he lived to quite a grand age.  I take it Trafford being a district of Manchester.

Can you find a death for Sarah Garrattley at all?

Best wishes
Shirley
My research interests are as follows:
TROW, Jane Elizabeth,(nee Evans) died 1864 in Dorrington, Condover
TROW Jane, Kerry, Montgomeryshire abt 1777 GARDINER Edward, Shropshire, abt 1764
TUDOR Martha, Kerry, Montg abt 1762
JONES Richard, Llangedwin, Debighshire 1794
UNKNOWN Anne, Shrewsbury? Shropshire abt 1794
STALEY James, Lydbury North, Shrops abt 1772
CORNS Margaret, Lydbury North, Shrops 1769
MILLS Joseph, Golon, Llanbister, Radnorshire
CORFIELD John, St Chads, Shrews 1773

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Re: Gretna Green Marriage ???
« Reply #5 on: Friday 27 February 09 17:24 GMT (UK) »
Hi Shirley,

have just joined rootschat having read Your messages regarding Leslie George Garrattley.

I would be pleased to exchange information I have regarding him and his wife Sarah Picton.

Regards,

Jeanette.

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Re: Gretna Green Marriage ???
« Reply #6 on: Friday 27 February 09 18:22 GMT (UK) »

I thought that Sarah Garrattley must have died for him to have married again, but I couldn't find a death for her.


It looks as though they divorced, but only after Leslie had started his new family:

http://tinyurl.com/at8lss


Anna
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Gretna Green Marriage ???
« Reply #7 on: Friday 27 February 09 20:36 GMT (UK) »
Hi Anna, 

very interesting.

Regards,

Jeanette

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Re: Gretna Green Marriage ???
« Reply #8 on: Friday 27 February 09 20:56 GMT (UK) »
Hi Anna and Jeanette

Thank you for finding the divorce Anna, so Sarah didn't die, that would also explain why I can't find a marriage around 1923 because he was already married ::) ~ food for thought!

May I ask your connection to Leslie George Garrattley Jeanette, I have been trying to find his marriage to Louie Nix ~ I wonder if they ever did get married now.

Many thanks once again.
Best regards
Shirles
My research interests are as follows:
TROW, Jane Elizabeth,(nee Evans) died 1864 in Dorrington, Condover
TROW Jane, Kerry, Montgomeryshire abt 1777 GARDINER Edward, Shropshire, abt 1764
TUDOR Martha, Kerry, Montg abt 1762
JONES Richard, Llangedwin, Debighshire 1794
UNKNOWN Anne, Shrewsbury? Shropshire abt 1794
STALEY James, Lydbury North, Shrops abt 1772
CORNS Margaret, Lydbury North, Shrops 1769
MILLS Joseph, Golon, Llanbister, Radnorshire
CORFIELD John, St Chads, Shrews 1773