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If someone is married by 'banns' is more information available?
« on: Monday 01 September 08 16:07 BST (UK) »
I have just received copies of two marriages one between William Brown and Ellen Bentley in Jan 1821 and another between Hamlet Brunt and Mary Ellen Wood in May 1828.  Both were married with 'banns'.

I was hoping that there may be details of these ancestors parents, so I could further progress with my research, however this is not the case.

Would there be any other documents I could try and locate to get more information regarding their parents?
COLLINS - St Pancras, Kentish Town
LANGLEY - Kentish Town, Camden, Islington, Barnet
MCDONALD - St Pancras, London
CARTER - Kentish Town
HOWARD - Pimlico, Kentish Town, Surrey, Sussex
PROUDLEY - Kent, Sussex
TAYLOR - Devon
GREEN - Somerset
BARRELL - St Pancras, London
ANDERSON - Pimlico, Kentish Town
BROWN - Fenton, Staffs
BRUNT - Fenton/Longton Staffs

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Re: If someone is married by 'banns' is more information available?
« Reply #1 on: Monday 01 September 08 16:12 BST (UK) »
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Have a look at this extract - also - it all depends whether the banns for that period are actually still available.  Fathers names were not shown on marriage entries until Civil Reg was introduced on 1.7.1837.  Mothers names are never shown


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According to actual English statute legislation, a marriage in the Church of England is invalid without a previous due publication of the banns or a license from the proper ecclesiastical authority granted only within the church of the parish in which one of the parties shall have resided for fifteen days before the marriage. The true names of the parties must be published in an audible voice on three successive Sundays at the morning service, after the second lesson, in the church of the parish in which the parties dwell, or with the bishop's consent, in a public chapel. The officiating clergyman is entitled to demand seven day's notice of the intended publication, with the names of the parties, place of abode, and the time they have lived there. The dissent of parents or guardians renders null and void the publication of the banns of minors. The banns or license are valid for a period of three months only. It is to be noted that the omission of the banns invalidated the marriage only when the omission is known and willful. Non-Anglicans (Jews and Quakers excepted, as otherwise provided for) are freed from the obligations of banns or ecclesiastical license, but they must give notice to the registrar of the district within which the parties have lived for seven days previous. This notice is inscribed in a marriage notice book open to public inspection at all seasonal times, and thereafter suspended for twenty-one days in some conspicuous place in the registrar's office and accompanied by a declaration as to absence of impediments, necessary consent of parents or guardians, etc.
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Re: If someone is married by 'banns' is more information available?
« Reply #2 on: Monday 01 September 08 18:01 BST (UK) »
Mothers names are never shown


CaroleW I have a wedding certificate (1853)  for an ancestor which does show the mothers name, presumably the father was unknown or deceased.

Hollingsworth - Lincs, Notts       Webster - Notts
Wakefield - Oxfordshire             Moor - Lincs
Green - Lincs                              Thorpe - Lincs
Duckmanton - Derbys, Notts      Clutterbuck - Gloucs 
Willetts - Worcestershire
Shaw - Warwickshire                  Dyer - Gloucs
Priest - Worcs                            Haden - Worcs
Hewitt - Worcs                           Bissell - Worcs
Scarfe - Lincs                            Tooley - Lincs
Turnell/Turnill Notts, Nhants, Camb

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Re: If someone is married by 'banns' is more information available?
« Reply #3 on: Monday 01 September 08 18:12 BST (UK) »
Is that on a British cert or a Scottish one
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Re: If someone is married by 'banns' is more information available?
« Reply #4 on: Monday 01 September 08 20:19 BST (UK) »
In England the answer to your question is no.  The banns register contains less information that the marriage register except possibly before 1800.

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Living in Berkshire from Northampton & Milton Keynes
DETAILS OF MY NAMES ARE IN SURNAME INTERESTS, LINK AT FOOT OF PAGE
Wilson, Higgs, Buswell, PARCELL, Matthews, TAMKIN, Seckington, Pates, Coupland, Webb, Arthur, MAYNARD, Caves, Norman, Winch, Culverhouse, Drakeley.
Johnson, Routledge, SHIRT, SAICH, Mills, SAUNDERS, EDLIN, Perry, Vickers, Pakeman, Griffiths, Marston, Turner, Child, Sheen, Gray, Woolhouse, Stevens, Batchelor
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Re: If someone is married by 'banns' is more information available?
« Reply #5 on: Monday 01 September 08 20:25 BST (UK) »
That's on an English one, issued in Dudley in 1853.
Fairly unusual I would think.
On another wedding certificate (1841) I have the fathers' names of both groom and bride - nothing unusual in that you might think, except the groom's parents at his christening were given as Mr & Mrs W and the father's name on the wedding cert. is Mr P.
Family tradition is that he was illegitimate and the certificate bears this out.  
The bride was also illegitimate and at her christening her mother's status is spinster, but the certificate also shows her father's name.
Hollingsworth - Lincs, Notts       Webster - Notts
Wakefield - Oxfordshire             Moor - Lincs
Green - Lincs                              Thorpe - Lincs
Duckmanton - Derbys, Notts      Clutterbuck - Gloucs 
Willetts - Worcestershire
Shaw - Warwickshire                  Dyer - Gloucs
Priest - Worcs                            Haden - Worcs
Hewitt - Worcs                           Bissell - Worcs
Scarfe - Lincs                            Tooley - Lincs
Turnell/Turnill Notts, Nhants, Camb