Barker and Elmes

[velcro]

Hi

Seeking assistance with finding maiden name of Ann Elmes ch.9 Oct 1778 Thakeham, SSX. ENG. (Goodyear??)m.John Barker  1803 SSX.Also trying to find any more children to parents Charles and Ann Elmes.
Assistance with  death records of Ann Barker nee Elmes children:
Jane b. 1804 West Tarring SSX
Ann b. 1806 West Tarring
Sarah b. 1808 West Tarring
Mary Jane b.1810 West Tarring
John b. 1812 West Tarring
William Sayers b. 1814 West Tarring
Thomas b 1816 West Tarring
Walter Goodyear 1817 West Tarring
Elizabeth 1819 West Tarring

Any Census records available on John and Anne Barker's family please?

Cheers
Velcro

[velcro]

Hi
Should read maiden name of Anne Elmes's mother Ann unknown.

Cheers
Velcro

[lizdb]

Can I clarify -

the list of names above that you want deaths for (9 names, Jane to Elizabeth) - they are surname Barker?  And do you have dates of birth for them? Am I right 1803 onwards? and are all born Thakeham?
HAve you found any of them on any censuses?

[Stovepipe]

The SMI has no marriage for Charles ELMES to Ann.

It does have a couple around the right time and place to other women.

Here's the first at nearby Storrington.

Place: Storrington, West Sussex,  Date:  3 Oct 1768:
Subject: Charles ELMES, bach
Spouse: Jane CLEMENTS, sp
 
And the licence:

Place: Archdeaconry of Chichester Marriage Licence,  Date:  3 Oct 1768:
Subject: Charles ELMES, bach 22 butcher otsp
Spouse: Jane CLEMENTS, sp 21 Storrington
Extra Information: SRS 32  ss: C.E.; Thos. C. butcher otsp

 
Here's the second eight years later.

Place: Kirdford, West Sussex,  Date: 29 Jun 1776:
Subject: Charles ELMES, widr Thackham
Spouse: Sarah FOYRCE, sp otp (lic)
 
And the licence:

Place: Archdeaconry of Chichester Marriage Licence,  Date: 18 Jun 1776:
Subject: Charles ELMES, widr 22 butcher Thakeham
Spouse: Sarah VOICE, sp 23 Kirdford
Extra Information: SRS 35  ss: C.E.; Arthur RANDALL bricklayer otsp

 
Interesting that both men are butchers, and in the later marriage Charles is a widower.  If it wasn't for the age in the second licence I'd make the two men identical.  I wonder if there was a transcription error there?  22 is quite young to be a widower (but by no means impossibly so with a wife's death in childbirth so common).

Velcro, how sure are you about the accuracy of the mother's given name in the Thakeham baptism register?  Although I don't have access to it now, I have in the past looked at a microfilm of the register and from what I can remember it's very hard to read.

I'll have a look at my record of Storrington registers (I don't have those for Thakeham) to see if they are of any help in answering your questions.  I'll post any answers I find later.

HTH,
Stovepipe

[velcro]

Hi
Thank you both for your quick responces.
Have no evidence as such about Anne Barker 's parents names but another contender is a baptism of an Anne Elms of West Chiltington on 4 Sept 1778, the daughter of William Elms and Sarah.
Or Charles and Jane Elmes(Elms) nee Clements m.1768 and also found Charles Elms m.1776 Sarah Voice. Charles is a widower so when did Jane die? Has Charles as 22 each wedding date, possible error?
Find children of Charles to see if Ann fits or is William and Sarah Elms her parents?

Cheers
Velcro

[Stovepipe]

Hi Velcro,

PRTS transcript of Storrington burials (1549 - 1900) and baptisms (1549 - 1901).

No BARKER entries at all in both registers.  Doesn't seem to be a local name in Storrington at least.
GOODYEAR doesn't appear either, but GOODYER does especially in the form GOODGER (it's reasonably common spelt this way).  But all GOODYER / GOODGER baptism entries are after 1860, and there are no burials between 1780 and 1858.

Plenty of ELMS / ELMES though in both registers, but no baptisms to parents Charles and Ann.

There is only this burial of a man of the right age possibly to have been Ann's husband.

28/04/1821  Charles ELMS, 79 from Angmering.

So born about 1742 and would have been about 36 at the time of the Thakeham baptism.  But he may be an unrelated namesake, or even the 22-year-old Charles who married Jane if we allow for one or both of the ages to be out by just a few years.

Finally, you asked when did Jane die?  Here's a likely burial from Storrington.

20/11/1772  Jane ELMES, w/o Charles (no age recorded).

"w/o" is a little ambiguous - does it mean "wife of" or "widow of"?  I think it usually means the former, so being about the right time this does to me look like Jane née CLEMENTS.

Stovepipe

[lizdb]

Thank you for modifying original post with more info.

For starters here is Walter G. in 1851

HO107 1651 150 1

4 Warwick Street Braoadwater

Walter G Barker 33 Unm Member of Royal College of Surgeons practicing as General practitioner. born West Tarring
Olive Compton 33 servant housekeeper bn Angmering
Frank Fibbins servant 14 stable boy bn Angmering

[lizdb]

Little changed by 1861

RG9 614 100 4

CAnt read road, Broadwater

Walter G  42 Unm M.B.London practicing as General Practitioner bn West Tarring
Olive Compton  42 housekeepr
ALfred Hills 15 page

[lizdb]

Death

Jan/Feb/MAr 1868
Worthing reg distr

Walter Goodyer Barker age 50

right that is him sorted - only 8 to go!