Smeeth or Brabourne marraige

[Tracey Amos]

Hi there, I'm looking for a bit of help in finding a marraige record in order to confirm the grooms fathers details.  The info I have is:-

Thomas Oliver and Alice Elizabeth Munn married in 1904.  They had banns read in October in St Mary the Virgin Brabourne which is Alices parish.  Thomas is from smeeth as far as i can tell, but I am unable to get to any records office for the foreseeable future to check further.

So I thought I'd try you lovely people, and thank you in advance for any help or advice you can give.

Trace

[Ecneps]

Hi Trace,

Do you have any census records for the couple?

This could be Thomas in 1901, living in Smeeth but born Brabourne:

RG13/785 fol.89 p.5

Station Cottages, Smeeth, E. Ashford, Kent
Henry SHORTER head m 43  Platelayer S.E.R.  Hinxhill
Ann         "         wife  m  43                            Stelling
Ernest     "          son      12                            Brabourne
Alice        "          dau      10                                   "
Thomas OLIVER b.in.law s 27 Shepherd                "


and 1891:
RG12/701 Folio 79 Page 1

Park Farm Cottages, Brabourne, E.Ashford, Kent
Mary OLIVER head wid 52               Upper Hardes
Thomas  "      son    s   17 Agricultural Labourer  Brabourne
Walter COOKE lodger s 24    "                   "            "

1881:
RG11/950  Folio  9  Page 12/13
Brabourne Park Cottages, Brabourne
Thomas OLIVER head m 46  Labourer  Brabourne
Mary         "        wife  m  43                     "
Emma       "         dau        9 Scholar         "
Thomas     "        son         7     "               "

Hope this helps,
Barbara

[wendy47]

hi Trace

Marriages Dec 1904

Munn  Alice Elizabeth     E. Ashford  2a 1867   
Oliver  Thomas     E. Ashford  2a 1867

Can order online

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

Wendy47

[Ecneps]

Alice in 1901:

RG13/848  Folio 46 Page 83
9 Eastbourne Gardens, Folkestone
in household of Edward J. Hampson, Priest of the Church of England
Alice E. MUNN serv. s 23 Housemaid Domestic  Kent Mersham


1891 RG12/701  Folio 86  Page 16
North View, Brabourne
in household of Francis Apps, grocer
Alice MUNN serv. 13 General Servant Domestic   Mersham

1881 RG11/950  Folio 58 Page 15
Jimmet? Farm, Mersham
George MUNN head m 26 Ag.  Lab    Frittenden
Ann         "       wife  m 23                  Hinxhill
Alice        "       dau       3                   Mersham
John        "       son    7months              "


Barbara

[Tracey Amos]

Thank you both, this all fits with what I have,  but somewhere along the line I aws told that Thomas's parents were a William and Sarah, which is why I was hoping that someone had access to the marraige details to confirm what I beleive and that is its Thomas and Mary as you've both found above.

I think I will have to order the certificate,  was trying to avoid this as I have so many loose ends like this I would need like you all, to remortgage to get all the answers lol.

Thanks again for your quick responses.

Trace

[Ecneps]

The only William and Sarah I can see on census were born and lived in High Halden, not far away I know, but no son Thomas that I could see.

Hope someone can see the parish register for you, otherwise I'm afraid the only other way is to buy the cert

Kind regards, Barbara 

[Tracey Amos]

Thank You Barbara.  I am more an more convinced that it is Thomas and Mary,  but it's going to have to be confirmed one way or the other.  Whats made it more likely is, I've dug out all my old notes and file and gone over everything again and come across morebanns for a Thomas Oliver and a Mary Hawkes in oct/nov 1857 again in Brabourne.

This now makes me wonder if Thomas was originally from Brabourne and not Smeeth as it states in the banns?

It is a little frustrating that I have all these banns records and no marraiges...lol  the day I was at the archives was obviously not long enough!!

Trace

[Ecneps]

see http://www.dixons.clara.co.uk/Certificates/marriages.htm#COL7

In the parish records when it states 'from the parish' it only means he was living there, not necessarily born there, and as Thomas was living in Smeeth in 1891 that possibly explains it.  The census says born Brabourne.  The cert looks the best bet if no-one has access to the parish marriage record.

[casalguidi]

They married at Smeeth http://woodchurchancestry.org.uk/midkentmarriages/index.php

Casalguidi