Torbet, Torbit Ancestors

[MonicaL]

I saw the other day from www.scotsfind.org that the Robert Torbet who married Isobella Blackie was from Dundee and certainly the children showing to them indicate they went back to Dundee.

Like you Gadget, I agree Robert is the likely name for father and with the Corstophine connection, the marriage to an Elizabeth Baxter the most obvious one....but no children showing to them on IGI/SP so hard to progress at this stage.

Monica

[MonicaL]

If Robert Torbit and Elizabeth Baxter turn out to be the right parents, daughter Isobel b. 1792 looks to have married an Alexander Hunter (father shows as Robert on the marriage OPR).  This looks like Alexander and Isabella in 1851:

Alexander Hunter 55, agri. lab., Prestonpans, Haddington
Isabella Hunter 54, b. Corstorphine, Edinburgh
Elizabeth Hunter 26, b. Prestonpans
Peter Hunter 22, b. Prestonpans
Alexander Hunter 20, b. Prestonpans

Address: Cuthill, Prestonpans, East Lothian

The problem for both Adam and Janet is finding further verification to connect them to the possible families we are seeing on record.

Monica

[Gadget]

The problem for both Adam and Janet is finding further verification to connect them to the possible families we are seeing on record.

Monica

It's what we have all faced over the years - the records run out or are missing    I've searched every will and MI that is relevant but my ancestors seem to not have left many traces. I've searched Kirk Session minutes - same again. I've just got snippets that are nearly joined but keep eluding me 

This might well be the case with Rory's ancestors - problem is we still hope that something will come up.


Gadget

[MonicaL]

A possibility might be Rory to try and trace through to her DC Isabel Torbet Hunter to check occupation showing for her father Robert. Too much to hope that his occupation might connect to Adam as cowfeeder or something similar...but as Gadget says, we can sometimes hope (and keep fingers crossed) 

Monica

[MonicaL]

Complete leap in speculation (in the absence of fact  ):

There is a marriage on 04 JUN 1751 in Saint Cuthberts of Adam TORBET and Helen BUCHANNAN. Children showing to them, all births at ST CUTHBERTS:

1. ELISABETH TORBITT 09 OCT 1752
4. PETER TORBET  Birth: 22 JUL 1754
3. JOHN TORBIT 21 SEP 1756
5. WILLIAM TORBET 28 APR 1759
6. CHRISTIAN TORBAT 22 AUG 1764
2. ROBERT TORBAT  20 DEC 1767

Interesting names for children. Potentially we could have a Robert marrying (Elizabeth Baxter?) and calling first born Adam....


And that's as far as I go with pure spec. before I get nervous that I can't verify, verify, verify....

Monica

[Gadget]

Similar names cropping up to those on the 1841, Monica, but then William, John and Robert  aren't all that rare 


 

[MonicaL]

Thinking of Janet Allan here  I was just doing some work on another post where the address for a census entry rung a bell! Swintonbeath, Fife - made me think of Janet Allan putting down Swinton, Fife as a birth place  (JAP, this is where James McPherson and wife Christina Sneddon were living in 1861...)

A search of ALLANS in 1851 with a birth place of SWINTON* brought up a number of entries with Swinton, Berwick...however, there was one interesting entry:

William Allan 45, dairy man, b. Swinton Fife
Agnes Allan 48, wife, b. Dunse Berwick
Andrew Fenne 16, general servant, b. Newton, Midlothian

Address: Bridge St Lane, Portobello

The address above also connects with that entry I found in 1851 for son Robert Torbit:

Robert Torbet 26, cowfeeder, b. Corstorphine
Mary Prior 16, servant, b. Cork Ireland

Address: Bridge St Lane, Portobello

Given that the occupations of Adam Torbet and William Allan are also related, Rory, it might be worthwhile you following up this couple through to deaths in Scotland to see what parents' names are showing for William Allan.

Monica 

[Gadget]

Looks good,  Monica 

A check on William Allan's death cert might give Rory some info as well, unless he also went to Ireland or died before 1855.  From the marriage cert. we know that Andrew Allan was Robert's maternal grandfather.

 Could Robert be feeding the cows which his uncle tends?


Gadget

[MonicaL]

That was my line of thought Gadget....

Agnes shows as head (widowed most likely) by 1861:

Agnes Allan, 66, pauper, b. Dunse

Address: 22 Pipe St , Portobello (Adam and family were in Little Pipe Street, Portobello in 1851).

Only one death showing on SP in 1857 (not a good year as spouses names not given normally, certs at this time normally just show as married/widowed etc.).  Such is William Allan's death cert. Simply shows as weaver, married and death at Royal Infirmary Asyum. A son James reported.

Parents show as Andrew ALLAN and Ann MILLAR.

There are children showing to this couple on IGI, including:

William b. 25 MAR 1794  in Largo Fife
Janet b. 26 MAR 1806 also in Largo Fife

Monica