Tinwald Mill, Dumfriesshire

[Gadget]

Tried to post this earlier but slow/stopped Roots and line keeps dropping because of heavy showers in the Highlands:


From SP - Marriage/Banns Lochmaben 5 June 1771

David Jardine and Mary Dinwiddie


Gadget

[Maggie.]

Hi Trish,
Thanks for the sibling info. I know the father is David Jardine but my ancient notes have the mother as Mary Dinwiddie but this is not my research so I must check

Hi Gadget,
Mary Ann Nicholson is at the Mill in '41 as well, with Jean Nicholson aged 30 and Jannet Nicholson aged 8.  I don't know who she is yet.  Thanks for the Banns info.

I will now attempt to post a map of the Tinwald Estate dated 1856-56, which covers the time Christopher and Helen were living here - Roots is so slow right now it could take the rest of the day to load   
I hope it is clear enough to show that there is a Mill Dam, Mill Head and a sluice, also a collection of buildings which I assume is where the mill was situated.  These buildings still show on a present day map and I understand from Jamjar that these buildings are now part of the present day Falconry Centre.

Maggie

(map courtesy of Landmark Information Group)

(added latter - I have corrected my typo to Dinwiddie)

[Jamjar]

Hi Maggie,

A small correction here. I actually said that the mill would have been next to the falconry centre, based on the census, if it was taken in order. 

Dinwoodie and Dinwiddie will be one and the same.

Jamjar

RC seems to be fixed.

[Maggie.]

Hi Jamjar,

Thanks for the correction - of course you said it was next to the falconry - my error and I should have read back through the thread shouldn't I    .

I have corrected my Dinwiddie typo (my notes do say Mary Dinwiddie) - I saw my mistake but couldn't get back into RC yesterday to fix it   

I have a lot to work on now as regards my Nicholsons in Scotland - no doubt I will have further queries but perhaps not in this thread, which was originally concerning whether or not the mill is still standing, therefore I shall lock it.

Many thanks to everyone who has helped me - I never expected the thread to take the direction it did - what a bonus   .

Regards,

Maggie

[EddyEatWorld]

Hi.
I was born and raised in Tinwald, and as well as the mill by Tinwald House, can tell you there was a second mill on Cotland Road. Only two houses away from my address, it has long since been converted into a house (although outbuildings remain as wood-workshops).

I wonder if anyone might know much about a library in Tinwald - perhaps a private collection in the mid-1850s? It seems very far-fetched to me, but a fellow from PA USA came asking one day in spring and we had the maps out looking, but to no avail. I in fact was heading to PA only a couple of weeks later to work at a Summer Camp and amongst the many great friends I made was the family of the General Manager of the site. It turned out that his wife's ancestors had lived around and worked on Tinwald Parks Farm in the 1740s! (she was a keen geneaologist herself) Couldn't believe it - perhaps 20 to 40 people living here back then and I went half way around the world to know their descendants. It's enough to affirm one's faith!

[Maggie.]

Hi EddyEatWorld,

First of all I must apologise for my delay in replying but I have only found your reply today by accident as the notification system failed to tell me of your post.

How interesting that you know Tinwald so well.  I made an assumption (perhaps incorrectly) that the mill where my ancestor lived was positioned by Tinwald House, as on the map I posted earlier here, given that there was a mill dam, sluice, well etc. marked on the map.  However it is interesting that you mention a second mill.  I have been in contact with the Ewart Library in Dumfries and they sent me a better map dated 1861, that shows Tinwald Mill clearly marked as being much nearer Tinwald village, on Low Road just before it meets another road marked Kirk Brae on the map.

At the end of October last year I made a brief visit to Tinwald with my husband to see what we could find.  I think we correctly identified the site of the mill, where a modern bungalow now stands called Mill Burn.......... is this correct?  We were given some help in this by local residents, also a contact address of a local historian.

We also visited the churchyard of Tinwald and found a headstone erected to the memory of my gt.x3 grandfather Christopher Nicholson, Tenant of Tinwald Mill, his wife Helen Jardine and son Benjamin.

Thank you so much for making contact, and again I am sorry for this late response.

Maggie 

[EddyEatWorld]

Hi!
You're right, that was the mill - the house I was blabbing on about was in fact the carpenter's. It's all wood anyway! That's great you've tracked everything down. If there's ever anything else you're interested in give me a shout!

Eddy

[Maggie.]

Hi Eddy,

So glad you've replied - I was hoping you hadn't disappeared for ever due to my lack of response 

And welcome to RootsChat 

Glad we found the correct place for the mill as we took lots of photos and its a long way to go back if we had made a mistake.  What a lovely part of Scotland - we had a great time exploring as my family had farms in Mouswald, Cleughbrae and Howthatt as well as Tinwald.

I shall certainly be in touch if and when I need to know more  .

Maggie

[truebritmega]

Hi Jamjar,

Many thanks for this.  I have just sent them an email to see if they can help.  From what I have gleaned in the 1841 census, there were a few other households in the area, inluding one referred to as Tinwald Mill Dwelling House.

I note your ggg-grandmother was Grace Morrison-Jardine.  My ggg-grandmother was called Helen Jardine before marriage and she lived at this mill at least until 1850.

Maggie

Hi there everyone... interesting thread.. Im currently searching the Jardines too, I have a Helen Jardine, mine is Lady Helen Jardine, daughter of Sir William Jardine, 7th baronet of applegarth ... Im trying to find out more about her and wondered... maybe?.... Im also trying to find images of the buildings etc on the Jardine estate? such as the hall and lodge (I already have them of Spedlins tower)...
anyone? anything?