Collinsons at Houghton House Lodge

[Al in Vane]

Hi,
   Interested in a William and Elizabeth Collinson who in 1961 lived at Houghton House Lodge, Carlisle, a long way from their family homes in Leicestershire and Worcestershire respectively.
They had a son who lived, Allan, who was born in February 1861 but also two others who must have died very young. Would anybody be able to look them up for me in the St John's registers.
William died young but have not found his death nor where the family were in 1871.
I would greatly appreciate it if anyone could obtain any information about the family or indeed tell me anything about Houghton House or if the Lodge is still extant.
Al

[emmsthheight]

Hi Al

Is this definitely Houghton House Lodge and not Houghton Hall?

Houghton Hall is still there, or I asume that's the larg old building, but in the grounds there is a large, relatively recent garden centre.  I've not seen a lodge on that side of the buildong,  but there may be on the village side.

I'll see what else I can see.

Best wishes

Emms

[emmsthheight]

Hi Again

I just answered my own question.

Looking at a modern large scale map - north of the road (A689 - north of the M6), opposite Houghton Hall is Houghton House Farm, still marked and also Houghton House and Houghton House Plantation - not sure about a lodge but the house and farn still have buildings marked.

I'll see if I can see the family.

Best wishes

Emms

[Al in Vane]

Thank you for your interest and replies Emms, a lodge is often a sort of gatehouse at the entrance to an estate, possibly in the case of Houghton House it has gone.
I did find a little about the family who lived at the house in the eighteen hundreds and when the Collinsons were there the owner was Thomas-Houghton Hodgson who was Clerk of the Peace for Carlisle, his Father had been Mayor of Carlisle five times.
If you could find anything of the Collinson family it would be much appreciated.
Al

[emmsthheight]

Hi Al

I'll have ago with the Collinsons.

I looked for a gate hoiuse or lodge type building but there's no obvious one on the map, though there are a couplke that are possible.  Much of the land round there has changed between the motorway and the other main road, and the garden centre.

Best wishes

Emms

[Al in Vane]

Have been doing some more research and have found two children registered in Bootle, which appears to be the former district for Millom and Whitehaven.
John of William and Elizabeth Collinson 5th September 1865
Elizabeth of same 2nd December 1866
Deaths - John September 1865
Elizabeth - March 1871
Could anyone try to find the mother and remaining son in the 1871 census to check this theory out?

Incidentally there was a death there of William aged 44 in June 1969, same place, could this be the father and Elizabeth's husband?

[GeoffE]

Here are the Bootle gang-

1871
Bootle Union Workhouse
Elizabeth COLLINSON 37 Ag Lab's widow, Waberthwaite
Martha 12 Millom
William 11 Millom
Margaret 8 Muncaster
Jane 1 Bootle

I suspect this family never left the area - Map http://tinyurl.com/4mz4ub

Waberthwaite is just north of the arrow and Muncaster (unmarked on this scale map) is a couple of miles north of there.

[GeoffE]

1871 has

Birtsmorton (very close to Berrow)
Oliver GRUBB (wid) 80 Farmer of 8 acres, Northants
Winifred CLARKE (wid) 65 Gen Servant, Worcs Powick
Allen COLLINSON 10 (gr son) Scotland

Map http://tinyurl.com/3s7wjw

I live just a few miles from there so could probably take a look in the churchyard if it's fine.

Marriages Mar 1859
COLLINSON    William        Bakewell    7b   739   
GRUBB    Elizabeth         Bakewell    7b   739

Perhaps they had been servants at Chatsworth House or Haddon Hall.

[Al in Vane]

Thanks for that Geoff, it is certainly not the same family which is what I wanted to check.
I have all the stuff about the family except for this one little period where Elizabeth's husband died, and I am also chasing a few things about her brother Oliver who farmed in Dymock with wife and children.

I had already found Allan in the 1881, and his mother, a widow in service at Winkfield in Berkshire but have not been able to trace the family in the 1871 census.
I only knew about Allan but last week I was looking at some family papers in the Worcester R.O. and they said that William and Elizabeth had of issue three children, two of whom died in early infancy. They are probably of little importance in the great scheme of things but I thought they may point to where the family was in 1871
Incidentally I believe the couple met while in service at Chatsworth House as they were married in Beeley which is the Chatsworth church.