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Re: Robert Hutton/ Catherine Downey late 19th century
« Reply #27 on: Wednesday 01 October 08 11:31 BST (UK) »
He wasn't in BISA...... :-\
Steeles, Burton, Garrod (Norfolk), Clarke, Tomblin (Rutland)
Bauer (London, France), Blades, Parker (Surrey)
Edwards, Coles, Smith, Nunley, Craddock, York, & Linnell (Northants) )
Ehmcke, Deimel, Appelkamp (Germany)
Watts (Somerset, Wiltshire) Selway, Churchill, & Chappell (Somerset)
Redwood (Devon, Essex) Button, Archer, Leach (Cambridgeshire)

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Re: Robert Hutton/ Catherine Downey late 19th century
« Reply #28 on: Wednesday 01 October 08 15:31 BST (UK) »
Well done both of you! I wish I had your expertise to follow some more of my family mysteries! As you said: 'an elusive lot'! Ain't that the truth.
In the record of the Sacramento, the ship bringing Catherine and Mary to Australia, the date given is April 1853. Do you think that means the date of arrival? In which case the sisters were only in Melbourne for two months before taking the Onkaparinga to Adelaide. I'm sure this record must refer to the same Downey girls, but interestingly Catherine's age is incorrect - Catherine was 20 (and her age is given as 16); Mary's age is correctly recorded.

I'll have a look at the Tasmanian convict records - though I have no hard information that Barnard Conner was a convict rather than a voluntary settler. I think I have found BC in the England 1841 census, living with two siblings in Birmingham, their birthplace simply recorded as Ireland.
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Re: Robert Hutton/ Catherine Downey late 19th century
« Reply #29 on: Wednesday 01 October 08 15:38 BST (UK) »
I should add that I am interested in the 'James Henry Horace Downey aged 40 in 1889' you have found. Although Catherine and Mary's brother James was born 1846, nevertheless all his given names are family names: Mary Teresa's father and brother were Henry (another of her brothers had Henry as a middle name). She also had a brother Horace Haverhill Page (who I've never succeeded in finding after his appearance in the 1841 census, and he does not appear in any list of Page deaths). Horace's middle name is so unusual and distinctive, yet he vanishes from the record. Perhaps he too emigrated ... but to where?
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Re: Robert Hutton/ Catherine Downey late 19th century
« Reply #30 on: Wednesday 01 October 08 16:09 BST (UK) »
More amazing discoveries - the dramatic account of the arrival of Catherine and Mary Downey to Australia

The Melbourne Morning Herald Thursday 28th April 1853:

THE SACRAMENTO, ship, with 300 Government emigrants, went on shore at Point Lonsdale, at 3.30 a.m. on the 27th. The passengers were all being landed by the assistance of the pilots. The Van Gellan picked up her long boat with first and second officer, drifting out to sea, belonging to above vessel. She also reports the sea breaking over her. She has £70,000 specie [?] on board, which was not landed when this intelligence left. She is expected to become a total wreck.

The Melbourne Morning Herald Friday 29th April 1853:

WRECK AT THE HEADS. - [From the Geelong Advertiser]. - The barque Sacramento, Holmes, master, from London, with 250 Government emigrants, arrived off the heads yesterday. About three o'clock, a.m., the ship struck upon Point Lonsdale reef, about one mile from shore, and four from the lighthouse. The long boat, life boat, and two smaller boats, were immediately hoisted out, and the landing of the immigrants commenced. Some were taken to the shore, and others landed temporarily on the reef. The news was brought to Geelong yesterday afternoon by the Rev. Mr. Lord, chaplain to the Sacramento. When he left the pilot station yesterday morning at nine, the boats were busily engaged in landing the immigrants, but as a heavy surf was running, the process was necessarily slow, and even if the weather remained favourable, it would occupy the greater portion of yesterday to land them all. The condition of some of the poor creatures, crowding into the boats, many of them in their night dresses only, was truly pitiable. From the ship's position she is not likely to be got off, and in the meantime the immigrant's luggage and cargo is in jeopardy; indeed, as the weather has since been very squally, the vessel has most likely already gone to pieces. The Rev. Mr. Lord says that the greatest kindness was shown by Captain Preston, Mr. Foy, and the pilots, and also by Mrs. Dodd, who resides near the station. The Sacramento left London on the 22nd December, and was detained by stress of weather in the Downs for nearly a month. About ten days after leaving, the surgeon died of an affection of the throat. Several other deaths had occurred, chiefly of infants. On the death of the surgeon, Mr. Lord acted in his stead, and was so far fortunate that only one death (an infant) occurred subsequently. Several vessels passed up the Western Channel yesterday, so that the news of the wreck will have reached the Government. Our local immigration agent will proceed overland this morning with supplies of comforts for those who have been landed.

The Melbourne Morning Herald Wednesday 4th May 1853:

THE SACRAMENTO WRECK. - But little remains of this vessel, she is totally broken up. Her deck timbers lie about a hundred yards from the skeleton of the hull, which is broken in two, and apparently not two bullock loads of timber remain. She brought only about 30 tons of cargo, chiefly spirits and ale - consigned to order. Her masts went overboard just twenty-four hours after she struck. The beach between point Lonsdale and the Bluff is strewn with fragments of the wreck. The conduct of Mr. and Mrs. Porter, at the Flag Staff, deserves the highest commendation. Mr. Foy, superintendent of the Lighthouse, displayed great promptitude in sending a dray to convey the shipwrecked emigrants to the Heads, where they were greatly indebted to the hospitality of Mrs. Dodds, at the Government house, whose liberality on this, as on previous occasions, cannot be otherwise than deeply appreciated. Happily no accident to life, or limb occurred to any on board the ill-fated vessel. - Geelong Advertiser.

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Re: Robert Hutton/ Catherine Downey late 19th century
« Reply #31 on: Wednesday 01 October 08 16:10 BST (UK) »
[Continued]

The Melbourne Morning Herald Thursday 5th May 1853:

THE SACRAMENTO. - We are happy to state that although the wreck of the Sacramento has been disastrous and the loss of the vessel, the cargo, and the luggage must be much felt by those to whom it belonged, yet it is so far cheering to know that no lives have been lost. When the immigration agents of Geelong arrived at the Heads, the scene was heart-rending, as many as possible of the immigrants had been sheltered and fed by the Pilots, but there were neither food nor accommodation for three hundred people. The consequence was that many of the sufferers were scatted on the beach, wringing their hands in despair, and what tended to heighten the distress was that relations had lost each other in the confusion. The arrival of the Government agent with provisions and other comforts was a most acceptable relief. Steps were immediately taken to find out the scattered and lost, which was successful, and on the arrival of the Aphrasia from Melbourne, they safely embarked and were conveyed to Melbourne. - Geelong Advertiser.

Sacramento Sailed from Deptford England 22 Dec 1852 ~ The Ship was wrecked on Point Lonsdale Victoria Australia 24 Apr 1853, with no loss of life.

SACRAMENTO - 1850-1853
Master: Captain A. Dove (1850-52); Captain W. Holmes (1853)
Rigging: Barque; sheathed in yellow metal in 1850; fastened with copper bolts
Tonnage: 430 tons using old measurements and 447 tons using new measurements
Construction: 1850 in Sunderland
Owners: Pryde & Co. (1850-52); Teighe & Co. (1853)
Port of registry: Liverpool (1850-52); London (1853)
Port of survey: Sunderland (1850-52); London (1853)
Voyage: sailed for Port Philip (1853)

The three-masted sailing ship Sacramento was just three years old when it struck disaster on the Point Lonsdale reef at the treacherous entrance to Victoria’s Port Phillip Bay in April 1853. It was when the newly created colony was in the grip of gold fever and thousands of emigrants were pouring in from all over the globe seeking their fortunes. Dozens of ships with large passenger-carrying capacities were plying the oceans bringing their human cargoes to Australia and many met with disaster.

In the case of the Sacramento, there were more than 300 passengers and crew on board, en route to Melbourne from London. The drama unfolded on the night of April 26 1853 after land near Port Phillip’s entrance was sighted. The captain ordered the ship to stand off the heads until morning when he planned to enter the harbour. During the night, the ship began drifting toward shore but no immediate attempt was made to do anything. The captain was called from his bed at 3am but it was too late to save the ship. It struck Lonsdale reef 10 minutes later. Luckily, all passengers and crew were able to safely go ashore, averting what could have been a major calamity. They were taken in drays to Queenscliff and later continued their journey to Melbourne aboard a bay steamer. The Sacramento quickly began breaking up, and within a week the hull snapped in two, littering nearby beaches with wreckage.

Before the ship was lost, 12 chests of coins holding $120,000 were recovered. The captain and second mate were charged over the wreck. The captain’s case was tossed out after all the witnesses disappeared. The mate was sentenced to four months jail.

Statement of Significance

The Sacramento was a 430-ton net (447-ton gross) three-masted wooden barque built in Sunderland, England and owned by Teighe & Co. of London, having previously been owned by Pryde & Co. of Liverpool

Physical Description   
Construction Material: Wood
Rig: Barque
Hull Details: Yellow metalled, copper fastened. Classified Lloyd's A1, 1852
Propulsion: Sail
Number of Masts: 3

History   
Built Date: 1850
Built Port / Country:  Sunderland / England
Registration Port / Country:  London / England

Voyage Details   
Date Lost 27 Apr 1853
Voyage from London to Melbourne
Cargo 60,000 pounds specie, approx. 30 tons cargo, mainly spirits
 
Weather conditions Wind: W; force 2; fine night; ebb tide

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Re: Robert Hutton/ Catherine Downey late 19th century
« Reply #32 on: Wednesday 01 October 08 22:27 BST (UK) »
Ian, very  interesting reading  for  the Sacremento, if  it is  the same girls  a bit scary to say  the  least.  One of  the girls on here goes to Provic  so  I  have  pm'd her  to  take a look at  the thread  to see if she can  help



Now James was a bit of a lad  by  the  look  of things

 DOWNEY  James Henry Horace aged 40 single father Francis Downey married 12/3/1889 at Registery Office Adelaide to Susan CLARIDGE aged 29 Widow father William Norman Howell
158/856
 
Caroline Elizabeth DOWNEY born 1/3/1883 at Queenstown 235/406 symbol X Cross reference Caroline Elizabeth CLARDIGE
Father James Henry Horace DOWNEY Mother Susan Claridge nee Howe

Jonathan DOWNEY born 29/1/1884 at Port Augusta 320/241
Father James Henry Horcae Downey mother Sarah Teresa Howe

 Joshua DOWNEY born 7/3/1886 at Port Augusta 369/291
Father James Henry Horace Downey mother Susan Howell

Enock Nathan DOWNEY born 28/7/1890 at Port Augusta 462/292
Father James Henry Horace Downey mother susan Howell

Ezekiel Job DOWNEY born 27/4/1892  at Lyndoch 499/135
Father James Henry Horace Downey mother Susan Howell


Jenn
When you search for ancestors, you find great friends!
I live in Townsville researching
TOWNSEND,PINNEGAR, STRANGE, PULLEN, GRIFFIN from Wiltshire,,
SHOEBRIDGE, VINALL, BRINDLE, Kent
BAYLEY, Dorset,Yorkshire,
HAIR, Durham,
CUMMINS, BROWNLESS from Yorkshire,
EDSALL,  Cornwall,
MORGAN, HENNESSY, BAKER,  Ireland.
VAN REYK Sri Lanka
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Re: Robert Hutton/ Catherine Downey late 19th century
« Reply #33 on: Wednesday 01 October 08 22:43 BST (UK) »
Great find about the Sacramento, Ian!  :D  :D

Morning Jenn.....now that's a good start to the day!  :D  :D
Steeles, Burton, Garrod (Norfolk), Clarke, Tomblin (Rutland)
Bauer (London, France), Blades, Parker (Surrey)
Edwards, Coles, Smith, Nunley, Craddock, York, & Linnell (Northants) )
Ehmcke, Deimel, Appelkamp (Germany)
Watts (Somerset, Wiltshire) Selway, Churchill, & Chappell (Somerset)
Redwood (Devon, Essex) Button, Archer, Leach (Cambridgeshire)

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Re: Robert Hutton/ Catherine Downey late 19th century
« Reply #34 on: Wednesday 01 October 08 23:09 BST (UK) »
Morning Dee

found James Henry Horace and assorted family in WA  lived to old age  buried in Karrata
http://www.mcb.wa.gov.au/NameSearch/GenResearch.html
Jenn
When you search for ancestors, you find great friends!
I live in Townsville researching
TOWNSEND,PINNEGAR, STRANGE, PULLEN, GRIFFIN from Wiltshire,,
SHOEBRIDGE, VINALL, BRINDLE, Kent
BAYLEY, Dorset,Yorkshire,
HAIR, Durham,
CUMMINS, BROWNLESS from Yorkshire,
EDSALL,  Cornwall,
MORGAN, HENNESSY, BAKER,  Ireland.
VAN REYK Sri Lanka
All Census Look Ups Are Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.au

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Re: Robert Hutton/ Catherine Downey late 19th century
« Reply #35 on: Wednesday 01 October 08 23:17 BST (UK) »
Ahhhh Jen.....some good electoral rolls for Western Australia......maybe Ian can look them up if he has Ancestry.......

If not, I'm sure there'll be help.....  ;)


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Steeles, Burton, Garrod (Norfolk), Clarke, Tomblin (Rutland)
Bauer (London, France), Blades, Parker (Surrey)
Edwards, Coles, Smith, Nunley, Craddock, York, & Linnell (Northants) )
Ehmcke, Deimel, Appelkamp (Germany)
Watts (Somerset, Wiltshire) Selway, Churchill, & Chappell (Somerset)
Redwood (Devon, Essex) Button, Archer, Leach (Cambridgeshire)

Census information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk