Thomas and Margaret Smith

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Oh that's good, hume 

Sedgefield - not far from me.

On the marriage cert, it gives John as a spirit merchant - did he change or was it a slip up by Thomas 

Also, was Isabella a widow in 1911?


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PS - found that Rainy River was a district ajacent to Minnesota 

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Isabella was a widow. Found John James' death. He died 1908 aged 74 in Melrose. Parents given as John James Smith, sergeant in Royal Artillery, and Elizabeth Smith m.s. Oswald. Death registered by son Thomas. So did he come back for his father's death or did he not leave until after this date?

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John James Smith died 12 May 1908 aged 74. Still a hand loom weaver

Parents - John Smith - surgeon, Royal Artillary and Elizabeth m.s. Oswald. Both deceased


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Oops - thats 12 credits for SP 

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Just wondering about this - Thomas gives his address on his marriage cert as Bridge Street, Linwood, Renfrewshire and father definitely a spirit dealer  -

there were at least two marriages of a John Smith and Isabella Morrison that I can recall

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John James Smith died 12 May 1908 aged 74. Still a hand loom weaver

Parents - John Smith - surgeon, Royal Artillary and Elizabeth m.s. Oswald. Both deceased


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Oops - thats 12 credits for SP 

Apologies Gadget!

Found these two marriages for a John Smith/Isabella Morrison:

1866 Corstorphine, Midlothian
1857 Dumfries

The 1857 one shows John as a woollen weaver, sometime clerk. Not really spirits' dealer.

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Hmmm, look who I found in 1901! Looks like John did have a change of occupation.

Address: 1 Bridge Street, Linwood, Renfrewshire
John J Smith, m, head, 67, publican, b. Malta
Isabella ", f, wife, 61, publican's wife, b. Circowan (?), Wigtownshire
Mary Ann ", f, dau., 30, barmaid, b. England
Thomas ", m, son, 28, pub ... dealer(?), b. England

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Oooh  - that's good, hume  - well done

So he was a 'publican 1901 and probably 1902 when they married. I think you've got the right family 

So - we have:

Isabella Morrison b. c. 1840, Wigtown. Parents - Daniel Morrison and Janet Kavin (?)

John James Smith, b. c. 1834,  Malta. Parents - John Smith and Elizabeth Oswald

I'll go offline again and leave you to it 


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Added - looks like the 1857 Dumfries marriage is the best bet 

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Just found a John James Smith birth,  Malta 1833 - GRO Army Chaplains Birth Index, page 15.

Not sure how you get page 15


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Fantastic, Gadget. 

Think I might have found John and mother in 1851. Image is quite bad so guessing at points!!

Address: Dumfries
Elizabeth Smith, f, head, wid., 50, woolpicker, b. Malta
John ", m, son, sin., 17, ?, b. York, Hull
Catherine ?, f, lodger, sin., ? (woollen), b. Lochmaben

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