Grey Family

[acarragon]

Hi all (again)

After finding another new generation! yey!  I am now stuck with an ABEL GREY listed on the 1861 census as living with Ann Grey formerlly COATES (we think) I can see from www.ancestry.co.uk that theres a return for the above named for 1851 but it will not let me open it.Can any one else see if they can and tell me what it says?

I would like to know if the mother Ann Coates is living with them then as well as in 1861? and also is there any way of finding information on people like ann coates from 1796? the records on these site dont tend to go that far back is there a reason?

Thanks
andrew

[wozzle]

1851
HO107/2359/508/14
abel gray age 28. b. runton, occ. engine driver. head.
ann age 28. b. beverley. wife.
matthew age 5. b. ditto. son
thomas age 4. b. ditto. son.
margaret.a. age 2. b. ditto. daughter.
living at;potter hill gardens,st.martin,beverley,yorkshire.

[wozzle]

possible
1851
HO107/2359/252/15.
ann coates age 55. b. beverley. head(widowed)
alfred bartram age 13. b. little westow,yorkshire. nephew.
ann levitt age 20. b. etton,yorkshire. servant.
living at ;north bar within,st.mary,beverley,yorkshire.
cannot make out ann coates occupation.

[Fisherman]

Hi

Occupation looks like  Landed Proprietor

Chris

[acarragon]

thats great, what would a landed proprietor mean? owns the house and rents rooms? or pub?

[wozzle]

1841
HO107/1229/11/6/5.
ann coates age 45. b. in county. occ. independant means.
hannah campling age 15. b. in county. occ. female servant.
living at north barr street,st.marys,beverley.

thank you for that fisherman

[Fisherman]

Hi

A landed proprietor usually means someone who earns an income from land they own without having to work it themselves

Chris

[wozzle]

marr index
there is no ann coates but an ann armstrong on the same page
so don't know whether this is the right one
though the date and area add up.
name; abel gray
y.o.r. 1845
qtr. oct/nov/dec.
dist. beverley
vol. 23.
page. 17.
on the same page. ann armstrong,lydia burgen,sarah sharp,james lambert,abel gray,john turner.

[Ecneps]

Hi Andrew.

Thanks for your pm. re Ann Coates' birthplace in the 1861 census which you thought might be Guselham.  As the surname Coates looks like Crutes, I read the birthplace as Gardham, and there is such a place not far from Beverley
http://www.genuki.org.uk/cgi-bin/gazplace?CCC=ERY,GR=SE954425,PLACE=GARDHAM

Hope this helps
Barbara