holland /pearce

[barney 2500]

Hi Everybody

I have a puzzle to solve

I have Herbert William Holland who married twice first wife was Annie Wright married her in dec 1889 in Saffron walden
vol 4a  pg 1043
second wife was Annie Holland  married her in sept 1902 in Edmonton vol 3a pg 981
the puzzle is that the second wife was married to one of herberts brothers ? and her maiden name was pearce

 i hope somebody can help as this puzzle is stopping me putting other members of the family into the tree which i have been given by my wife's family

[regross]

Hi Barney

I hope you recieve lots of help.

Some queries that need answering so that people know where to start with help.



Do you know if Herbert's brother had died? Have got the certificate?

Did Herbert's brother and Annie have any children? When were they married? Do you have the certificate?

I think that your first step is to purchase all the relevent the marriage certificates.

These should give you  answers as to maritial status , parents names etc. This should help clear up any of your initial concerns.

Sometmes it is important to purchse certificates and not just rely on index entries which have only limited information in them.

regards

Robyn in Australia

[barney 2500]

Hi Robyn

According to a family member the story goes that a piano fell on him when the pulley broke killing him . no cert.
herberts brother and annie had 2 daughters one Ivy and the other Lillian
Ivy we think married an Archibald white in 1924 VOL 1D pg 718 district of wandsworth and they had a son  allen born 1929 no certs yet
lillian had a daughter called kay no further info

I have purchased wedding cert for herbert and annie holland and herbert and annie wright
the reason i put this on is because i can't find annie pearce first marriage

yours barney

[lizdb]

What was the name of Herberts brother (who married Annie Pearce)? that will help find the marriage.

Or if you dont know - then have you got Herbert on the censuses as a child, in order to find out names of all / any brothers he had who may be the candidate?

Poor chap - the piano incident does NOT sound nice at all. But however he went, he should still have a death cert.

[barney 2500]

Hi Lizdb


the brothers for Herbert are as follows
Alfred b1886 Great Saling married to a Minnie Breeze
Harry b 1873 or 1883 Little saling possibly married to Caroline annie reeves or an Annie unknown.
Frederick b 1873 Great Dunmow don't known if married
Joseph b1876  Great Dunmow don't know if married
George John Holland b1876 Little Saling don't know if married


yours andy

[lizdb]

do you have any census refs for the family?

In 1891 I can only find a 12 yr old Alfred who was bn Saling - and siblings dont match.

Are you sure the list you gave are all brothers? strange that the parents had 2 boys in 1876 in different places!

When was Herbert born? I see he married first in 1889 so must be older than those listed....

[lizdb]

oK, I am getting somewhere
Here they are in 1881:

RG11 1805 126 9
Hall Farm House, Great Saling

William 36 Stockman bn Ltle Saling
Martha 35                       "
Alfred 15 Ag lab  bn Grt Saling
Herbert W 14 Ag lab   "
Esther E  12                    "
Harry 8                            "
George J 5                     "
Agnes Ada 1mth             "

[lizdb]

And by 1891 they have moved to Dunmow area

1891
RG12 1428 6 3
Bickmore? Cottage, Barnston

William 46 Ag Lab  bn Little Saling
MArtha 45                   "
Harry 18                      "
George 15                    "
Agnes 10                    "
Frederick 8          bn Dunmow
Joseph 5            bn Dunmow

Alfred, Herbert W and Esther have left home.

[barney 2500]

Hi Lizdb

In 1871 they were living in 15 braintree rd  great saling

william Holland Head age 26 Arg labourer
Martha  aged 25
alfred aged 6
herbert aged 4
ester h  aged 2


thanks for your help

yours andy