Flora McPherson/Gordon b. Inverness?

[Gadget]

I checked the passenger lists of ships leaving UK 1890-1914 for both surnames and couldn't find them.

Gadget

[Cheekybum]

Thank you for your trouble Gadget, I really appreciate it.

If I can make one last request though.. Can you or anyone help me find out when George went to South Africa then?

[AMBLY]

Hi Renata

A fine mystery you have 

Sorry am I missing something here 
Grandmother, Flora GORDON  b 1901- daughter of George Lanceley GORDON b 1868 Haddington Sct.,  and (unknown)
Grandmother has 5 siblings, one being George McPherson GORDON b 1902.

Then you say
in regards to: NAAIRS record:
RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS OF PROVISIONAL CASE. LIQUIDATOR OF THERON AND   
LUSCOMBE VERSUS GEORGE MCPHERSON GORDON AND FLORA GORDON (BORN  MCPHERSON).                STARTING  19290000 - ENDING    19290000                     

.......refers to you GREAT-grandmother and her son.
It looks like Grandmother Flora and her brother to me??

Do we already know that Flora b 1901, had a mother also named Flora? Flora McPHERSON?

Cheers
AMBLY

[Cheekybum]

Yes both my grandmother and great grandmother was named Flora.
The reason I know that the Flora being referred to in that document was my great grandmother is because my grandmother was already married to a Roux by that time.
A mystery is an understatement to be honest because after more digging I found out that that document was only the start of a whole series of events that eventually led to the land ending up in Isabella's (my grandmother's sibling) husband's family's hands.
This will definitely keep me busy for a few years

[AMBLY]

Hi Renata

This may be a huge red herring - it's doing my head in!!

Found this:
1891: 86 Bule Street - St Marys, Cardiff, Southward, Glamorgan, Wales
Head: Sarah SIMMONDS 24, unm, Cafe Manageress, b Swansea
Servant: Sarah RITCHINGS 29, unm, General Servant, b Aberbeg. Glam.
Lodger: George L GORDON 21, unm, Sailor, b Portobello, Scotland

Interesting because: 'our' George Lanceley GORDON's parents & sibs were in Duddingston, Portobello in 1891 and 1901 (I found the 1901) ....having moved ther sometime between 1881 (when George Lanceley was 12), and 1891
Scotland People have 2 George L GORDON born 1868-1872:
1) George Lanceley GORDON 1869  - Haddington, East Lothian
2) George Leslie GORDON 1870 - Elgin. Moray

The latter is also on the IGI: Born Nov 1870 Elgin, to John GORDON and Barbara WHITE.
Census 1871: (and IGI has all the extracted births to match)
14 Lady Lane - Elgin Burgh, Moray
Head: John GORDON 52, Carrier, b Dallas, Elginshire
Wife: Barbara GORDON 33, b Forres Elginshire
Son: John GORDON 18, Carrier, b Dallas, Elginshire
Daughter: Betsey GORDON 17, Housekeeper, b Dallas Elginshire
Son: Alexander GORDON 12, Scholar, b Dallas Elginshire
Dau: Margaret GORDON 5, b Elgin Elginshire
Son: George GORDON 5 mths, b Elgin, Elginshire

IGI  shows, that John GORDON's first wife was Margaret McGILLIVRAY who is the mother of John, Betsey (Elizabeth) and Alexander.

Elgin in relation to this family, of course, is interesting because that's where George Lanceley's father was born.....
FreeBMD
http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl
Has MARRIAGE: Dec Qtr 1898 Dover Kent -  with the following 2 brides and 2 Grooms:
Matilda Annie BUCK
George Leslie GORDON
Frederick James TERRY
Florence Louisa WATKINS

Dover, of course being a port beloved of sailors..........

1901 Census has:
Frederick J TERRY visiting in Dover, with his wife Matilda TERRY and 1yr old son, Percy.
RG13/ Piece: 842/ Folio: 27/ Page: 7

1901 Census also has:
1 Liverpool Street, Dover St James, Kent
RG13 /  Piece: 839 /  Folio: 96; Pg 1
Head: John SHEPPHERD 40, married, Foreman painter (worker0, b Bury Sussex
Stepson: Albert Geo NORRIS 24, married, Valet Dom, (worker) b Dover Kent
Daughter: Florence GORDON 21, married, b Dover Kent
Stepson: Arthur WATKINS 18, single, Painter (worker) b Dover Kent
StepDaughter: Bessie WATKINS 16, single, b Dover Kent
Father-In-Law: James MAKEY 77, widr, Retired Valet, b Eyethorne Kent
Grandaughter: Flora GORDON 1, b Scotland

and:
1881:7 Russell Place -  Dover St James, Kent
RG11 /  Piece: 1001 /  Folio: 115 / pg 6
Head: Charles WATKINS 33, Coachman, b Durley??, Hampshire
Wife: Louisa WATKINS 28, b Dover Kent
Son: Albert WATKINS 5, Scholar, b Dover Kent
Dau: Flora L WATKINS 2, b Dover Kent
Son: Henry C WATKINS 5 mths, b Dover Kent


   scratch scratch!

Cheers
AMBLY

[AMBLY]

scratch scratch scratch........

Scotlands People:  has 4 x Flor* GORDON born between 1897 and 1901 (may as well look at the whole shebang!)

1898 - Florence Margar. GORDON - Kilgreggan and Cove, Dunbarton - 502/02  0009 (She is in Cove in 1901, parents John & Alice)
1899 - Flora GORDON - St Rollox, Glasgow City, Lanarkshire - 644/06  1728
1901 - Flora GORDON - Applecross, Ross and Cromarty - 058/01  0012

and.......
1899 - Flora Margaret  GORDON - Ardersier, Inverness - 091/00/0036

I know you have "Lanceley" as a name in the family and that James GORDON, the Army Major's, parents were (probably?) a John GORDON & Janet McPHERSON (IGI). But what do you have that says George Lanceley GORDON is Flora jnr's father - was it stated on her marriage to Mr ROUX?


hmmmm.....
Cheers
AMBLY

[Gadget]

Now this one looks interesting, Ambly:

1901 Census also has:
1 Liverpool Street, Dover St James, Kent
RG13 /  Piece: 839 /  Folio: 96; Pg 1
Head: John SHEPPHERD 40, married, Foreman painter (worker0, b Bury Sussex
Stepson: Albert Geo NORRIS 24, married, Valet Dom, (worker) b Dover Kent
Daughter: Florence GORDON 21, married, b Dover Kent
Stepson: Arthur WATKINS 18, single, Painter (worker) b Dover Kent
StepDaughter: Bessie WATKINS 16, single, b Dover Kent
Father-In-Law: James MAKEY 77, widr, Retired Valet, b Eyethorne Kent
Grandaughter: Flora GORDON 1, b Scotland

[Gadget]

Flora Margaret Gordon's parents - b. 28 June 1899, Fort George

Could the Lanceley have been a wrongly interpreted Lance (from lance corporal) at some stage - written lance-cpl  or the signature containing  Leslie was misread

[AMBLY]

OOh Gadget, ! I don't know what to think!
sooooooo many boxes ticked, so many not. I was rather hoping this Flora's birth would turn out to have the same day and month of birth as Renata had  - 21 Feb at least - if not the same year.     And I was hoping George Leslie on the 1898 marriage index (which is clearly "leslie" could have been  a mis-read of Lanceley on the original document - but seems not, since it's again "Leslie" on the birth of the daughter.....

The fact Lanceley is  the maiden name of James GORDON's wife, the middle name of 2 of their children and has been handed down into Renata's South African family

Still - the parallels......

Cheers
AMBLY