Henry Baldwin marriage

[gazza]

Hi ,I'm looking for the marriage/name of father of Henry Baldwin b 1823 in England in census extract below. He seems to drop off the census in England and can find no English marriage record for him.
I found this possible family which might be him in the U.S 1880 census. It shows that they were in Canada for sometime and may have married there I suspect. The fact that they are in Michigan  later lends weight to my theory that it is my missing bunch, as one of Henry's brother's children emmigrated to Michigan area c 1868.
His fathers name should be Anthony if it is correct one.
many thanks in advance,
Gazza

 Henry BALDWIN   Self   M   Male   W   56   ENGL.   Farmer   ENGL.   ENGL. 
 Jane BALDWIN   Wife   M   Female   W   52   IREL.   Keeping House   IREL.   IREL. 
 William BALDWIN   Son   S   Male   W   24   CAN.   Farmer   ENGL.   IREL. 
 George BALDWIN   Son   S   Male   W   18   CAN.      ENGL.   IREL. 
 Mariah BALDWIN   Dau   S   Female   W   15   CAN.      ENGL.   IREL. 
 Edward J. BALDWIN   Son   S   Male   W   14   MI      ENGL.   IREL. 

[atth2o]

Hi Gazza,

Sorry to say but all the records you are looking for are prior to general registration.  The only things I could add is that the family lived in Michigan in 1870 also:

Henry Baldwin 50 
Jane Baldwin 40 
Margaret Baldwin 20 
John Baldwin 18 
Henry Baldwin 16 
Thomas Baldwin 14 
William Baldwin 10 
Ann Baldwin 8 
George Baldwin 6 
Maria Baldwin 4 
Eward Baldwin 2 
John McPherson 26 
James Neal 25

All the children were born in Canada except for Edward.  Birth registration started in Canada in 1869 and Marriages in 1857.

Here is the birth of Edward from the IGI:

Edward Baldwin - Male     
 Birth:  30 JUN 1867   , Alcona, Michigan
Parents:
  Father:  Henry Baldwin
  Mother:  Jane Baldwin     
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Source Information: Batch No.:  C518182

Hope that helps in some way,

Nancy

[gazza]

Thanks for your time and help Nancy. I didn't realise that about the Canadian records. Bit of a blow that.
Would there have been some kind of ships passenger list in those times?
Were there the equivalent of parish records that might show their marriage?

regards

gazza

[gazza]

Oh ,btw, forgot to ask ,what was the relationship of Neal and Macpherson to the head/ Were they in-laws or lodgers?
Thanks again
Gazza

[atth2o]

what was the relationship of Neal and Macpherson to the head

Sorry to say, the census does not contain relationship data.  The two were both born in Canada.  Probably working on the farm with John Baldwin?  I can't seen to be able to read the occupation?

[gazza]

ok , thank you.

[atth2o]

All the children were born in Canada except for Edward

Correction:  In the 1870 census it states that Maria was born in Michigan.

Would there have been some kind of ships passenger list in those times?
Were there the equivalent of parish records that might show their marriage?

From what I can see in the 1870 & 1880 census, the family lived in English Canada.  This would probably mean Ontario but that is only a guess.  Ontario was considered "Upper Canada" and Quebec was "Lower Canada".  Quebec being French speaking and would be listed as Canada-French in the census.  This does not mean that they didn't live in the maritimes or the western provinces.

Although Ontario is a guess, it is just across the border from Michigan.  This would not require a ship if your question about passenger lists was for this time period.

I tried to trace the children and found a few Baldwins still living in Williams, Bay, Michigan.  If they are decendants of Henry and Jane, the immigration year was listed as 1863.  This somewhat fits that Maria and Edward were born in Michigan.

As for the parish registers, you first need to find out where they lived in Canada.  It is a very large country and you are looking for a needle in a haystack I'm afraid.  Your best move next would be to contact someone in Michigan that may be able to find some data for you in the archives about Henry and Jane.

I hope that helps in some way,

Nancy

[atth2o]

Hi Gazza,

I took a look for you to see where you could get some help in Michigan.  Try this web site:  http://www.mifamilyhistory.org/bay/

Here's some more data for you I got off the above site:

PINE GROVE CEMETERY - Row sixteen

Baldwin, Emma   April 17, 1860 – Sept. 10, 1943  (Sawden)
Baldwin, Thomas  Jan. 13, 1854 – Sept. 22, 1927
Baldwin, Roy  1887 – 1910 (11/15/1887 – 9/29/1910  Thomas & Emma Sawden)
Baldwin, Lewis E.  1880 - 1881
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Rose Anderson's Record Books:

BALDWIN, Edward J.
Date of birth: 30 June 1867 Color: White Sex: Male
Born: S. Bay City, Michigan Single Occupation: Shoemaker
Date of death: 4 October 1901
Age: 34 years 3 months 4 days
Buried: Oak Ridge Cemetery, Bay City, Michigan
Father: Henry Baldwin Born: England
Mother: Jane M. Daniel Born: Canada

BALDWIN, Roy
Date of birth: 15 November 1887 Place: Michigan Color: White
Sex: Male Occupation: Clerk  Married
Date of death: 29 September 1910 Cause: Typhoid Fever & Pneumonia
Buried: Pine Grove Cemetery, Williams Township Lot #16 1 October 1910
Father: Thomas Baldwin Born: January 1855 in Canada
Mother: Emma Sawden Born: April 1862 in Toronto, Canada

BALDWIN, Thomas
Date of birth: 13 January 1854 Birthplace: Canada
Color: White Sex: Male
Date of death: 22 September 1927 Place: Williams Township|
Buried: Pine Grove Cemetery, Williams Township Lot # 16
Wife: Emma Sawden Born: 1860-Died: 1943
Father: Henry Baldwin Born: England
Mother: Margaret James Born: England

Baldwin, William
Date of birth: 8 May 1856  Birthplace:  Lindsay, Ontario Canada
Color: White  Sex: Male  Widower  Occupation:  Carpenter
Date of death: 27 April 1940  Williams Township
Age:  83 years 11 months 19 days Cause of death: Cerebral Hemorrhage
Buried: Oak ridge Cemetery, Bay City, Michigan 30 April 1940
Wife: Alice
Father: Henry Baldwin  Born: England
Mother: June McDaniel  Born: Ireland

Baldwin, Lewis E.
Date of birth; 1880  (Pine Grove Sexton’s Record)
Color: White  Sex: Male
Date of death: 1881
Buried: Pine Grove Cemetery, Williams Township, Bay County, Michigan
Lot #16

Baldwin, Emma
Date of birth; 17 April 1860  Birthplace Toronto, Canada
Color: White Sex: Female widow Housewife
Husband: Thomas Baldwin
Date of death; 10 September 1943 Bay County, Michigan
Age: 83 years 4 months 23 days
Buried: Pine Grove Cemetery, Williams Township, Bay County, Michigan
Lot #16
Father Lewis Sawden  Born: England
Mother: Martha Williamson  Born: England
Informer: Mrs. Oscar Mieselbach  Bay City, Michigan

I don't know if their all yours but worth looking at.  It looks like the name of the mother is Jane M. Daniel or June McDaniel?  Gives you a clue anyway.

Hope that helps,

Nancy

[gazza]

Thanks Nancy for the info you have kindly found for me.
The shipping records I meant was for Henry from England to Canada just to be clear. There were alot of shoemakers in the family that Henry came from in England ,so could be on the right track.
Jane /june is very confusing saying boen in Ireland one time then England another.( and all keep changing their birth year. Amazing we can find anybody at all 

Regards
Gazza