Breamore Hampshire

[Fezann]

I have visited the saxon church in Breamore where g g grandad was married in 1848 ( a very pretty place) and it got me wondering if there are any relations still in the area.
 GEORGE WELCH married Elizabeth Curtis, when she died he re married ANN HARRIS. I believe she may have been illegitimate since, on the marriage cert, her father is given as JOHN PHILIPS, occupation gamekeeper. George had several children Harriet, from his marriage to Elizabeth and George, Eliza, Ann,William, Albert, Thomas, Emily and Sophia from his second marriage.
George, my g grandad moved to Derbyshire so I know little about his siblings.

[Mum44]

Hello Fezann 

Are you wanting us to see whether we can trace the families of the other children - ie: Harriet, Eilza, Ann, William, Albert, Thomas, Emily and Sophia ?

If so - can you tell us what you know about them so far - which censuses you have them in ? Dates and places of  birth ?

[Fezann]

Yes , it would be great to know if they stayed in the area. I have them on the 1861 census at home  After this I have some possible census matches and marriages but as I don't have the certificates  these can only be guesses.
Albert born 1851 spelt Welsh on 1871 census apprentice blacksmith may have married in Woolwich 1873 Mary Ann Godfrey.William 1845 married Mary (don't know surname)in Fordingbridge 1865.
Approx birth dates Harriet 1841,Eliza1844,Ann1845,William1847,Thomas1852,Emily1858 and Sophia1864
I don't expect others to do all the work for me, only if someone already has George included in their tree it could save a lot of time.

[Mum44]

Hello Fezann

Well - they hid well for about 20 years, didn't they 

I have now managed to pinpoint Albert, Thomas and William - with wives and children - in 1891, so far.

Do you want me to post full details, or just the census refs. so you can look them up yourself ?   It's entirely up to you   

[Fezann]

Good Afternoon Mum44,
Thanks for the speedy reply, if you could post full census details that would be great. It will save me a trip to the library.

[Mum44]

OK  -  William

You had his marriage in 1865 to Mary Wheatley or Mary Ann Dedman.
It was Mary Wheatley.  She appears on every census as b. 1844 Rockbourne, and therefore has to be Wheatley since there is no Mary Dedman with that profile.

1871
Rg10.  P. 1182  Fol. 14 Pg. 5

The Village, Damerham, Wilts

WELCH
William  Head  M  27  carter   B.  Hants, Burgate
Mary  Wife  M  27                   B.  Hants. Rockbourne
Henry W  Son  4                     B.  Wilts. Damerham
Alfread  Son  2                        B.    ~           ~


1881
RG11.  P. 1201  Fol. 56 Pg. 2

Rockbourne, Hants.

WILCH  (as written in census )
William  Head  M  38  carter  B.  Hants. Burgate
Mary  Wife  M  37                  B.  Hants. Rockbourne
Henry  Son  14  Carters boy  B.  Hants.       ~
Alfred  Son  12      ~         ~   B.  Wilts . Damerham
Albert  Visitor  6                     B. Hants.  Rockbourne  (Don't know whose he was!)

1891
RG12.  P. 909  Fol. 125  Pg. 1

Rockbourne, Hants

WELCH
William  Head  M  48  Carter  B.  Hants  Burgate
Mary  Wife  M  47                   B. Hants.  Rockbourne
Henry  Son  Un  24  carter     B.  Wilts.  Damerham
Alfred  Son  Un  22     ~                 ~            ~

Henry married Q4. 1891 Fordingbridge to Emily Jane Gray
I can't see either of them in 1901.

Alfred married Q1. 1891 Fordingbridge to Florence Annie Case.
In 1901 they are living in Eling, with an 8 year old daughter Florence, born Fordingbrige

I can't see either of the parents in 1901 and the only death for William is a possible William Edward b. 1849 died 1895 Fordingbridge
Mary died in Fordingbridge district in 1906.

[Mum44]

ALBERT

This I'm a little less sure of - see what you think 

He was an apprentice blacksmith in 1871.

Based on that, and the fact that there didn't seem to be any other Albert Welsh born 1852 - ish in Hampshire I found a possible in 1881:

1881
RG11.  P. 743  Fol. 39  Pg. 30

2 Robert Street, Woolwich

Henry May  Head  Wid  68  Pensioner from Army B.  Somt. Bath
Albert Welch  Visitor  M  30  farrier in Dockyard   B.  Hants. Christchurch
Mary A   ~        ~  wife  M  30                               B. London St. Lukes
Albert H    ~    Son  7                                           B.      ~           ~
Mary A  Dau  3                                                      B.  Woolwich
William C  Son  2                                                   B.      ~

His age is right, the county is right and the occupation fits - it's just the place of birth which isn't quite.

However, the same family in 1891 :

1891
RG12  P. 527  Fol. 7  Pg. 5

26 Charlotte Street, Charlton, London

WELSH
Albert  Head  M  39  Labourer  B.  Hants  Fordingbridge
Mary A  Wife  M  39                  B.  London City Road
William C  Son  12  Scholar      B.  Kent, Woolwich
Ethel A M  Dau  9       ~           B.  Kent, Charlton
John  Son  5              ~           B.    ~           ~

and then in 1901:

1901
RG13. P. 458  Fol. 50 Pg. 6

19 Lower Woolwich Rd, Woodville, London

WELSH
Albert  Head  M  49  Blacksmith  B.  Hants.  Broksht (?)
Mary A  Wife  M  49                     B.  London, Paddington

No children at home.  I wonder if that odd place of  birth might stand for Brockenhurst ?  But that's quite a way from Fordingbridge        Or maybe his handwriting was poor and the enumerator couldn't make it out - might be Burgate in disguise?

[Fezann]

Thanks Mum 44!
You must have had a lot of practice at this!
Interesting about Alfreds marriage to  Florence Annie Case. His Great Grandfather James married a Jane or Jenny Case.
I now have quite a lot to get my teeth into. I can see that I shall be spending quite a bit of time at the library  .
It can be quite a challenge this genealogy. I am always being surprised at just how much people moved around. Until I started this I thought that they would be born, live and die in the same village.
Thanks again for your help.
Fezann

[Mum44]

Fezann  -  hi

I'm just making Thomas presentable  -  I'll post his data shortly