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Unknown soldier
« on: Monday 27 October 08 21:58 GMT (UK) »
Hi

This photo was found amongst my grandmothers collection when she passed away.  I dont know who it is or where it was taken.  I am not aware of any men in the family apart from 1 convict being in the British army.  All Australian Soldiers in my family where in the 1st and second world wars.

When i posted it on rootschat to be restored Jim1 said possibly 9th/12th Royal Lancer, possibly taken in India. 

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Kish
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Re: Unknown soldier
« Reply #1 on: Monday 27 October 08 22:20 GMT (UK) »
I would date this very closely from 1874-1881. I cannot identify the lapel badges but I am somewhat sure they are those of a fusilier regiment.

I think you are looking at a young man, about 22 years old and so born about 1852 to 1859.
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Re: Unknown soldier
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 28 October 08 07:13 GMT (UK) »
I think he is a private/trooper in a Lancer regiment. Any chance of a high-res scan of the collar badge?

Ken

UPDATE: could be the 12th Lancers - from one of Neil's posts - http://www.soldiersofthequeen.com/page4o-Farrier12thLancers.html

They did not merge with the 9th until after WW1

The plastron (the bit between the buttons) was introduced about 1872. If there is a chance he served in the Boer War, post his name and we can check the medal roll

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Re: Unknown soldier
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 28 October 08 07:45 GMT (UK) »
It has to be after 1873 as collar dogs were not introduced until then and not all units took up the collar dogs immediately.

So it's definitely later than 1873. I have to agree with Ken he is probally from a lancer unit.
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Re: Unknown soldier
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 28 October 08 08:23 GMT (UK) »
Lancer mid-1880's, off the top of my head, lancers didn't get collar badges until after 1881.

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Re: Unknown soldier
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 28 October 08 10:46 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for your help

I just had a quick lesson in changing the resolution but its still not clear.  Hope its ok.

Kish
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Re: Unknown soldier
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 28 October 08 11:24 GMT (UK) »
Hi Kish

Looks like the Prince of Wales' feathers of the 12th (Prince of Wales' Royal) Lancers.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/12th-Lancers-Cap-Badge-Queens-Crown_W0QQitemZ160294635825QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxZ20081026?IMSfp=TL081026116001r26086

You should right click the picture and save it.

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Re: Unknown soldier
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 28 October 08 12:33 GMT (UK) »
WOW thanks Ken
Now I have something to work on.  Now to find a name that links in with the family.  ;D
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Re: Unknown soldier
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 28 October 08 14:08 GMT (UK) »
Ken is definitely right. I see the collar badge shape clearly now.
Southern or Southan [Hereford , Monmouthshire & Glos], Jenkins, Meredith and Morgan [Monmouthshire and Glos.], Murrill, Damary, Damry, Ray, Lawrence [all Middx. & London], Nethway from Kenn or Yatton. Also Riley and Lyons in South Africa and Riley from St. Helena.
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