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grandfather on SS KHEDIVE ISMAIL 1944
« on: Thursday 30 October 08 09:34 GMT (UK) »
Has anyone out there have anything on the above ship. Just found out my pop was on there Corporal Harold Norman 11th E.A. Div. Sigs. #5885336  I would love to know if i could find a picture or any information on Army personal. Anything would help me find out about my grandpa and have little to no help from only family member. I dont know too much all I know he was married in Dormanstown 1940 died 1944. 
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Re: grandfather on SS KHEDIVE ISMAIL 1944
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 30 October 08 09:46 GMT (UK) »
There is some intresting reading about the ship and its final hours, it was the target of one of the most feared submarines in the seas known for machine gunning survivors.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Khedive_Ismail

here is a picture of the vessel http://www.ipresent.co.uk/morekhedive.htm

This is the list of people that tragically lost their lives.
http://www.ipresent.co.uk/lostonKIsmail.htm

Royal Corps of Signals, 11th East African Div. Signals
Connelly Michael, Emery Francis Patrick, Hamerton William, Harrison Philip, Norman Harold, Spence Kenneth H., Wood Francis E.
ABELL-Hfds & Glouc. AWFORD-Glouc, Hfds & Worcs. DANTER-Glouc,Hfds & Worcs. DAUNTER-Hfds, Glouc & Worcs. BAYLISS-Worcs & Glouc. BILLINGHAM-Hfds. JENKINS-Glam, & Hfds. PIPER-Suffolk, Glam & Hfds. CULLUM-Hfds, Suffolk & Mom.
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Re: grandfather on SS KHEDIVE ISMAIL 1944
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 30 October 08 09:50 GMT (UK) »
Hi,

Have you seen his entry on www.cwgc.org ?   Gives details of his parents and his wife.

Also information about the East Africa Memorial and the Khedive Ismail.


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Re: grandfather on SS KHEDIVE ISMAIL 1944
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 30 October 08 10:26 GMT (UK) »
There is an article in a recent edition of Britain at War, and it talks about the 11th East African Division and the Khedive Ismail. If I remember correctly it doesn't have the picture you are after but it is a good introduction.

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Re: grandfather on SS KHEDIVE ISMAIL 1944
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 30 October 08 21:01 GMT (UK) »
ss KHEDIVE ISMAIL official number 162372 built in 1922 as ACONCAGUA.
1935 renamed KHEDIVE ISMAIL

There is a picture and some info of her as ACONGAGUA here: http://www.clydesite.co.uk/clydebuilt/viewship.asp?id=19164

There is also a photo of her in "Beyond the Call of Duty" The loss of British Commonwealth Mercantile and Service Women at sea during the Second World War by Brian James Crabb. There are about 24 pages devoted to the sinking and well worth a read.

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Re: grandfather on SS KHEDIVE ISMAIL 1944
« Reply #5 on: Friday 31 October 08 09:39 GMT (UK) »
THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH IT IS A GREAT START. I AM EXCITED NOW.... ;D
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Re: grandfather on SS KHEDIVE ISMAIL 1944
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 11 November 08 20:55 GMT (UK) »

Last year a File was released into the U.K. National Archives that would be of interest.

WO361/491 Contains all enquiries that were made into Khedive Ismail Casualties.
The file like others in the series will contain correspondence with survivors.

ADM1/29466 Contains details of an Award given to L/Smn. W.R.Howard for rescuing a member of the W.R.N.S.


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Re: grandfather on SS KHEDIVE ISMAIL 1944
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 12 November 08 00:37 GMT (UK) »



Hi squizgolf and welcome to RootsChat !  :)

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FORGOTTEN STORY OF A DOOMED SHIP

It was one of the most dramatic naval encounters of the last war – and yet the the loss of the troopship SS Khedive Ismail has been largely forgotten by everyone outside an ever decreasing circle of survivors and their relatives. Local author Brian Crabb tells the fascinating and genuinely moving story in Passage to Destiny
Brian, who lives in Portishead and runs a garage business in Clifton, has strong personal reasons for retelling the story. His father Percival Crabb (Buster to his shipmates) was one of the few survivors to escape as the torpedoed troopship took just two minutes to slide beneath the Indian Ocean back in February 1944.

The former liner had left the African port of Kilindini as part of convoy KR 8 crowded with black soldiers from the 301st Field Artillery Regiment bound for Burma, along with a strong contingent of female auxiliaries and nursing staff. But an attacking Japanese submarine succeeded in putting two torpedoes in her engine room, blowing up her boilers and sentencing the majority of the trapped African troops and nursing staff to a watery grave. No less than 1,297 of them lost their lives.

Brian's father, who later worked at Fisons in Avonmouth, was one of the lucky survivors - hauling himself out of a porthole precious seconds before the ship went down. Another survivor, Bill Howard, had almost given up hope of rescuing a trapped Wren when escaping air literally blew the pair of them to the surface.

But the swimmers problems were not over yet. British destroyers raced in to attack the Japanese sub, dropping depth charges through the survivors. Laconic naval reports admitted this may have added to the casualty list but certainly kept the sharks at bay. The incident was later used by writer Nicholas Monserrat in his novel The Cruel Sea.

The Japanese sub was forced to the surface and eventually blown in two, its crew following the Khedive Ismail to the bottom. This is a truly compelling story, told simply and without frills by the people involved and it is also lavishly illustrated.

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Re: grandfather on SS KHEDIVE ISMAIL 1944
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 21 January 12 21:58 GMT (UK) »
Check out this site for a photo of the ship:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/steveumpire/4378071037/

My aunt was a nursing sister with QAIMNS and was lost in this tragedy.