SPENDER/NOSEDA/PARADICE

[cathayb]

i forgot to say debs is my cousin lizzie.and debs i heard you got web cam.so have i on yahoo or msn if you want to contact me.cathayb

[lizzyann]

Wow! see how the Lord puts everyone in place, that's great news Debs is really good. Yeah, its going really well. Im getting so excited with it all. But oh! it so confusing as well. Can't remember what a cinti is lol sure sighn of getting older. Don't no about being all done yet cathay but all our ancestory goes back to God.
God Bless you xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxLizzy

I have just ordered  the birth certificate of course I will send a copy to you when i get it. They are dispatching it on Monday.

[deb usa]

Hi all 

Firstly ...thank you silvery for helping Lizzy ann out with ordering the birth cert 

Cathay ...great to see you! how weird that we are all are kinda connected.

I have just been looking around and I am a bit confused ....

Lizzy, you said  frederick Spender b 1851/3, his parents were Isaac and sarah .... I think they were his grandparents

In 1861 we find Frederick Spender , 8 years old with his parents Frederick , 35 carpenter b Trowbridge and Elizabeth , 30 b Lambeth Surrey. His siblings are ;
Joseph 7
Alfred 5
Edward 3
sarah Ann 6months
living in Regent st, Chelsea

Now Frederick, the father,  is with his family in 1851
St Luke, Chelsea
1 Doyley Street
Isaac Spender head 50 carpenter b Wilts, Salisbury
Sarah wife 48 b Trowbridge
FRED 23 carpenter b Trowbridge...this is frederick Jnr's dad
Esther dau 22 dressmaker b "
Eliza 15 b Trowbridge
Sarah A 7 b "

so Frederick Spender b c 1853 married Emily Ann Noseda
His parents were Frederick and Elizabeth
His grandparents were Isaac and Sarah

deb

Marriage ;
Isaac SPENDER married Sarah PARADICE
23 MAR 1823   Trowbridge
IGI extracted

[deb usa]

this may be Sarah Paradice's christening and parents;

SARAH PARADICE  11 AUG 1802 trowbridge  parents; Reuben Paradice and Hester Parfitt (they married 8 june 1801, Trowbridge)
IGI extracted

in 1841 Reuben Paradise (transcribed as Pandise ) is living in Back street Trowbridge ...he is a cloth maker and is living with other cloth makers/travellers and hawkers

Isaac Spender
born; 28 MAR 1801
christened;  13 SEP 1801   Crow Lane Independent, Wilton By Salisbury, Wiltshire
parents; Thomas Spender and Elizabeth

deb

[cathayb]

am i getting this right lizzy frederick jnr had a sister called esther?so hat is why he called you granny esther than?emily noseda who he married was the spanish gypsy than so where do they italian bits come in?maybe her dad was italian?and she was born spain?also it looks like you got english romany in you know as well?fredericks father was clothmaker/traveller/hawker and then he married into cinti(which is spanish gypsy)is that right?are these folk your great grandperants or granperants.tell you what i will see it better if i print it out and then i will be able to do you a proper colour tree.are these on your mums side or your dads side?cathay

[lizzyann]

Yes debs  :)you are excatly right, they were his grandparents and christine my friend on Genes Reunited has sent me the same.

Does travellers and hawkers mean they were gypsys at some stage?

I could send you what she sent me, if you can give me your email.
If you are aloud to.

Lizzy

[deb usa]

Hi Cathay  

in 1841
Isaac Spender 40 carpenter, retailer of beer
Sarah 35
Esther 13
FREDERICK 15 ..he married Elizabeth ?? and had son FREDERICK who married Emily Ann Noseda
Joseph 9
Eliza 4
Rhoda 2
Esther PARADICE 70 ind

I don't see them as being travellers .... also why would Frederick Jnr (= Emily Ann Noseda), say in certain censuses that he was born Spain , naturalised British Citizen....

I wonder if any of his siblings state that they were born Spain?

deb

[deb usa]

just to clarify ...Reuben was living with some hawkers and travellers ...he was stated as being a cloth maker.

Hold on for email , Lizzy

deb

[cathayb]

ah i see if he was only staying near travellers and hawkers.perhaps he made the cloth they sold.anyway that might have been how he met his spanish gypsy lady or was she italian?be interesting to find out?and also to find william spooner who esther married and what his perants did for a living.cathayb