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Re: Spencer (Spanish Gypsy's)
« Reply #45 on: Thursday 13 November 08 17:25 GMT (UK) »
just found a Nicola Noseda 45, hawker b Italy ... living in Bishops Stortford, Hertfordshire, in 1861

I think we need the Noseda line ...Lizzy it might be better if you post what you know here (instead of emailing me) in case anybody is related ...you may also want to change your Title of this thread to Spender/Noseda/Paradice ... just in case their are others who can help or are related


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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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Re: Spencer (Spanish Gypsy's)
« Reply #46 on: Thursday 13 November 08 17:29 GMT (UK) »
In 1851 Nicola Noseda is with her brother Guiseppe Noseda 56 ...both born Lombardy and both Pedlars, in St Andrew London ....wonder if they are related?

will check Emily Ann Noseda's census info

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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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Re: Spencer (Spanish Gypsy's)
« Reply #47 on: Thursday 13 November 08 17:38 GMT (UK) »
so does it look like fred was possobly born in spain but her perants are english and they lived amongst travellers and hawkers but were clth makers. and noseda was italian pedler?tat givesus the psanish and italin connection dosnt it lizzie?dont forget when you have doe noseda to do william spooner
birchs taylors penfold orchard hughes all romany gypsies in the west country

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Re: Spencer (Spanish Gypsy's)
« Reply #48 on: Thursday 13 November 08 17:42 GMT (UK) »
In 1881   RG11/606/105/39

Fred Spender 28 b Paddington, lab
Emily 29 b Chelsea
Fred 10 b Chelsea        
Samuel 7 b Lambeth
Ann 4 b Lambeth

Fred married Emily Ann Noseda

Possible family for her?

1861  RG9/30/115/12

Mary Ann Noseda 35 shopkeeper b Pimlico
Mary A 15 b Soho
Jane 12 b Pimlica
Emily 9 b Chelsea
Edward 8 b St Pancras
Samuel 6 b St Giles
Henrietta 4 b St Giles
John 8 mths b Chelsea

1851  HO107/1473/368/26

Henry Noseda 30 master gilder b St James
Mary Ann 25 b Chelsea
Elizabeth 8 b Chelsea
Henry 6 b Chelsea
Mary Ann 4 b Chelsea
James 1  dau b St Georges
Ann 3 mths b Chelsea   (I think this may be her)


Marriage

1842 Westminster vol 1 page 318
Henry Antonio Noseda
Mary Ann Peever/Pever


Henry's second name appears to suggest he may have had Spanish/Italian roots.    



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Re: Spencer (Spanish Gypsy's)
« Reply #50 on: Thursday 13 November 08 17:46 GMT (UK) »
oo well done Lizzy ...yes i have seen those censuses and it does look like her !

Cathay ...Re William henry Spooner ...there are a few possibles for him ...so we will need the marriage cert in order to discover his age, dad's name/occupation  etc.

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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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Re: Spencer (Spanish Gypsy's)
« Reply #51 on: Thursday 13 November 08 17:49 GMT (UK) »
In case you overlook it see my track a posting back from Lizzy's     ;D

This marriage cert may be useful as well

Marriage

1842 Westminster vol 1 page 318
Henry Antonio Noseda
Mary Ann Peever/Pever


Henry's second name appears to suggest he may have had Spanish/Italian roots.   
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Re: Spencer (Spanish Gypsy's)
« Reply #52 on: Thursday 13 November 08 17:52 GMT (UK) »
How do I deleate that one sorry about that debs.

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Re: Spencer (Spanish Gypsy's)
« Reply #53 on: Thursday 13 November 08 17:55 GMT (UK) »
Sorry which marriage certificate do you want? s
Sorry getting confused now may age lol,  have to get our dinner now back be back shortly.   I can't afford to buy any more certificates if I don't have the one you want.

Lizzy