SPENDER/NOSEDA/PARADICE

[cathayb]

send me copies pleease lissie.i have a spoecialist will read them for you.cathayb

[lizzyann]

 :)my mum says now she got it wrong that  william frederick spender changed his name to spender  cause they were imigrants.
 
After Esther was born Frederick Spender first wife had another child an  died in child birth.

Then he remarried again, to an Irish woman.

Gosh my family is sooo!!!!!!!  :oconfusing.

Lizzy

[deb usa]

hi lizzy ...nice to see you back


The Spencer/Spender family must have be immigrants a long time ago as we have trace frederick Spender's family back to the 1841 census.

frederick's second wife was Elizabeth ...but I have not been able to find their marriage yet.

this is his life;
1901
Lambeth London
Frederick Spender head mar 47 smith & fitter b SPAIN (natural gr British subject ..maybe naturalised?)
Elizabeth wife 27 b London, lambeth>>>>>> new wife
Charles son 14 port errand boy b Battersea
Esther E dau 12 b battersea  wrong middle initial   I can't find a birth for an Esther E in 1888/9
Mabel dau 10 months b Clapham

in 1891
they are mistranscribed as SPONDER
Battersea
Frederick Spender head widr gen lab 38 b naturalised British Subject
Samuel son 17 b Lambeth
Alfred son 12         "
Annie dau 15        "
Frank son 8 b Battersea
Sarah dau 6      "
Charles son 4  "
ESTHER dau 2    "

In 1881    RG11/606/105/39

Fred Spender 28 b Paddington, lab
Emily 29 b Chelsea
Fred 10 b Chelsea       
Samuel 7 b Lambeth
Ann 4 b Lambeth


In 1861 we find Frederick Spender , 8 years old with his parents Frederick , 35 carpenter b Trowbridge and Elizabeth , 30 b Lambeth Surrey. His siblings are ;
Joseph 7
Alfred 5
Edward 3
sarah Ann 6months
living in Regent st, Chelsea

Now Frederick, the father,  is with his family in 1851
St Luke, Chelsea
1 Doyley Street
Isaac Spender head 50 carpenter b Wilts, Salisbury
Sarah wife 48 b Trowbridge
FRED 23 carpenter b Trowbridge...this is frederick Jnr's dad
Esther dau 22 dressmaker b "
Eliza 15 b Trowbridge
Sarah A 7 b "

so Frederick Spender b c 1853 married Emily Ann Noseda  and wife 2 = Elizabeth ??
His parents were Frederick and Elizabeth
His grandparents were Isaac and Sarah

in 1841
Isaac Spender 40 carpenter, retailer of beer
Sarah 35
Esther 13
FREDERICK 15 ..he married Elizabeth ?? and had son FREDERICK who married Emily Ann Noseda
Joseph 9
Eliza 4
Rhoda 2
Esther PARADICE 70 ind

I wonder why we don't have 1871 for them?

deb

[deb usa]

Blimey ...just noticed you have marriage details .... wooohoooooooooo ... i will have a look around and see if i can find his family ....

deb 

[lizzyann]

Sorry about all this debs.    Frederick Spender changed his name over here cause they were imigrants so my mum says she got it wrong about being adopted. 

After Esther Frederick wife had another child and died in child birth.

He then remarried an Irish woman. 

Gosh my family is soooo!!!!!! confusing. 

Lizzy

[deb usa]

Hi

I have found him in 1901

London , St Pancras
Edward Wellings and family
Anne Spooner visitor 50 Monthly Nurse/sick b holborn London
WILLIAM Spooner visitor 20 HAIRDRESSER b London pentonville

will look for him in prior censuses ...late here , must go for now...

deb

[deb usa]

Hi girls

Okay ...foloowing up on William Henry Spooner ...we have him in 1901 as a hairdresser with Annie Spooner ....

1891;
15 St Percy st, St James Clerkenwell, London
George A LAUGHTON head mar 25 solicitor's clerk b Clerkenwell
Mary E wife 22 b Yorks, Sheffield
Sarah Mother wid 63 b Notts
Katie A sister single 22 28 jewelry polisher/gold b Lancashire PReston
Alfred G SPOONER nephew 13 office boy / port b St Pancras London
WILLIAM H SPOONER nephew 10 scholar b Islington London
Mary J Woolhouse visitor 20 single b Yorks, Sheffield

William's dad was Alfred Henry Spooner according to his marriage cert ...

marriage
Alfred Henry Spooner = Annie Elizabeth LAUGHTON
June q  1875 
Pancras  London, Middlesex 
vol 1b  pg 63 

will look for more info

deb

[deb usa]

aaahhhhaaaaa ...here they are all together 

1881
12 Cummings st, St James, Ckerkenwell
Alfred H SPOONER head married 31 warehouseman b Pimlico, Middlesex
Annie E wife 30 Ostrich feather cleaner  b Holborn
Alfred G son 3 b clerkenwell
WILLIAM H son 6 months b Clerkenwell

deb

[deb usa]

okay ...

this is Alfred H Spooner with his family
1871
12 Carlton street
JOhn Spooner head mar 46 carpenter b Norfolk, Gunthorpe
Anna M wife 40 b eastbourne sussex
ALFRED H son 21 telegraph clerk b Pimlico
Clara M dau 13 b St Pancres
Ada L dau 6 b Islington
Grace E dau 2 b St Pancras
William Chard lodger 34 painter b Devonshire, Chard

1861
12 Caledonia place, Islington, Finsbury
Anna M SPOONER wife mar 30 b eastbourne sussex
Alfred H son 11 b pimlico ??elton Place
Clara  M dau 3 b Drumond Street
John A son 1 b Islington , 12 Calodonia Place

can't see them in 1851 yet .... also I wonder why there is such a gap between Alfred and Clara's birth

deb