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Re: South Lancashire Regiment soldier
« Reply #18 on: Tuesday 25 November 08 09:43 GMT (UK) »
Hi!

Many thanks for help. I will write to the Friends of the Museum as suggested.

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Re: South Lancashire Regiment soldier
« Reply #19 on: Tuesday 25 November 08 11:12 GMT (UK) »
The soldier is a Sergeant, Royal Artillery, pre-1880 full dress tunic.

Post-1880 grenades were worn on the collar of full dress tunic.

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Thought so...

Doesn't really fit in with the original thoughts on the person sought...Not a South Lancs then at all :o
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Re: South Lancashire Regiment soldier
« Reply #20 on: Tuesday 25 November 08 22:55 GMT (UK) »
Hi all

He was definitley South Lancs, as I have had that infomation from family, Marriage Certificate, two birth certificates and the regiment itself, which is where the number came from. They have all the records of him except where and when he was born.

On the marriage certificate and Alberts birth certificate, he is a colour sergeant in the 2nd South Lancashire Regiment. By the time William was born he had moved to the ist South Lancs and was demoted to Corporal. I have no idea why.

In the regimental Casusalty lists he is 1026 Cpl Lapping J and in the Roll of individuals entitled to South Africa medal& Clasps he is in the Ist South Lancs and is listed as the same.


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Aly
Lapping - Kingston upon Hull, Portsmouth
Heard/Herd - Isle of White
Godfrey - Shirebrook, Westhorpe, Southwall
Johnson- Brassington
Needham - Brassington
Buckley - Leeds & Hull
Wyer - Leadenham, Hacconby, Lincolnshire
Wagstaff - Kirkby in Ashfield

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Re: South Lancashire Regiment soldier
« Reply #21 on: Tuesday 25 November 08 22:58 GMT (UK) »
Hi Aly

I am confused why the child (William) was born in Preston. The Depot of the South Lancs was in Warrington (sharing with the Liverpools). The Loyal North Lancashire Regiment had it's Depot in Preston.

The number 1026 would have been issued in the early 1880s. Can you say on which occasions the number was quoted - marriage, 1895 birth, 1900 birth, Boer War casualty roll?

Ken

Not sure why his wife was in Preston, but Albert was definitly born in Warrington,

Lapping - Kingston upon Hull, Portsmouth
Heard/Herd - Isle of White
Godfrey - Shirebrook, Westhorpe, Southwall
Johnson- Brassington
Needham - Brassington
Buckley - Leeds & Hull
Wyer - Leadenham, Hacconby, Lincolnshire
Wagstaff - Kirkby in Ashfield


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Re: South Lancashire Regiment soldier
« Reply #22 on: Wednesday 26 November 08 07:24 GMT (UK) »
Hi Aly - I can add that 1026 Cpl. J. Lapping 1/South Lancashire Regiment  died of disease at Pietermaritzburg 8/2/1900 and is buried at Fort Napier Cemetery, Pietermaritzburg. His grave is marked with a named metal cross and his name appears on the commemorative panels at All  Saints Church, Ladysmith. His religion is noted as Roman Catholic.

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Re: South Lancashire Regiment soldier
« Reply #23 on: Wednesday 26 November 08 08:28 GMT (UK) »
Aly,

You wrote:
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He was definitley South Lancs, as I have had that infomation from family, Marriage Certificate, two birth certificates and the regiment itself, which is where the number came from. They have all the records of him except where and when he was born.


I don't doubt the documents you have, but the man in the photograph can't be the same man.

The man in the photograph is a Sergeant in the Royal Regiment of Artillery, pre-1880.  He wears a blue uniform with a pillbox hat, if you look at the image you will see a cannon in between his stripes and crown on his badge of rank, as has already been pointed out.

Whereas a soldier in The Prince of Wales's Volunteers (South Lancashire Regiment) in the 1890's would have worn a scarlet tunic with white facings on his collars and cuffs and blue trousers with a narrow scarlet stripe down the side.  As an infantryman he would have initially worn a glengarry cap, and subsequently a field service cap as opposed to a pillbox hat worn in photograph.  In full dress he would have worn a spiked Home-Service helmet.  For an example of the uniform in colour do a search on Google images there are at least two companies in the U.K. selling an 1890's Richard Simpkin print of the South Lancs.

Sorry but the man in the photograph does not go along with the documents.

Isandlwana

(Which isn't too far in South African terms from Ladysmith.)

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Re: South Lancashire Regiment soldier
« Reply #24 on: Wednesday 26 November 08 09:01 GMT (UK) »
Sometimes, something one has always believed to be "certain" is dashed to pieces when properly researched...

I'm sorry if this is a disappointment to you, but the picture and the documents don't marry up together at all.

On the plus side, you have found another Victorian soldier in your tree whom you now need to identify!  ;D



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Ooops sorry Isand...Seem to have just echoed your post...That'll teach me to leave the computer on without refreshing the page for 40 mins!
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Re: South Lancashire Regiment soldier
« Reply #25 on: Wednesday 26 November 08 09:30 GMT (UK) »
Thanks all of ,

i now have the onerous task of informing my 90 odd year old step aunt that she has the wrong man!

Onwards to my new quest

I love this site!

Aly

Lapping - Kingston upon Hull, Portsmouth
Heard/Herd - Isle of White
Godfrey - Shirebrook, Westhorpe, Southwall
Johnson- Brassington
Needham - Brassington
Buckley - Leeds & Hull
Wyer - Leadenham, Hacconby, Lincolnshire
Wagstaff - Kirkby in Ashfield

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Re: South Lancashire Regiment soldier
« Reply #26 on: Thursday 27 November 08 08:40 GMT (UK) »
Just a thought. John's wife Elizabeths father was a Warrant Officer in "2 OSD". She was born 1875 so the period would be right if it was him in the photo holding her

He is William Heard born 1851, Bristol

Not sure what OSD stands for so although I know he was military I did not know what regiment.
Lapping - Kingston upon Hull, Portsmouth
Heard/Herd - Isle of White
Godfrey - Shirebrook, Westhorpe, Southwall
Johnson- Brassington
Needham - Brassington
Buckley - Leeds & Hull
Wyer - Leadenham, Hacconby, Lincolnshire
Wagstaff - Kirkby in Ashfield