CLARK/E and COLBOURNE family London c1840

[Loophole]

Searching for a CLARK/E family in London, namely Henry and wife Susannah. They married 30/9/1840 in St Bride, Fleet Street, and gave their place of residence as Paul St, Finsbury. Henry was son of Charles, Gentleman, and Susannah, nee COLBOURNE was daughter of Thomas, also a Gentleman. I have 2 sons- Charles Thomas Colbourne CLARKE, b 1844 at 50 , Commercial Road, Lambeth, and George b 1849. I have checked these addresses and areas on census returns, yet can find no trace of any Henry who fits the bill. Susannah and the 2 sons were resident at 3 London St, Paddington in 1851 - she is not described as a widow, but I cannot find any record which really pinpoints her and her husband after that. There are so many deaths under the name, so finding it hard to get a handle on their birth/death dates. Hoping someone can help, has them in their tree or knows where to look next!

[Isobelruss]

1841

Could this be them

Henry Clarke 35 coffee house keeper not born in county
Susannah 25 born in county
Barbican London St Giles without Cripplegate
HO107/727/9 fol 9 p 12
 

[Loophole]

I did find this entry before on Ancestry, but I'm unsure whether a 'coffee house keeper' would be considered to be a 'Gentleman' as Henry stated on his marriage cert of 1840 and that of his son's BC in 1844.
I also found a reference to a Henry who was a cook with a wife Susan in Shoreditch, and another in Westminster, as Wm Henry and Susannah Clarke but they were listed as being b Ireland. Nothing seems to fit very well.
I then checked under Henry's father's name in case they were visiting and did the same with Susannah's father.
There is a Charles Clarke aged 50 on the census for Bloomsbury in 1841 listed as Independent - who seems to be part of the household of 53 Upper Barton St, presumed head is Nathaniel Clarke, barrister also aged 50. There is also a family in Clerkenwell, Charles Clarke 65, Ind.
A Thomas Colbourne aged 59, Ind, appears in Barbican area with wife Jane 58.

In 1851 and 1861 I found a Henry Clark, gentleman listed in Calne, Wiltshire as a brother in law, married, born in Surrey.
In 1861 Susannah is listed at 12 Portsea Place, Paddington, with youngest son George, she is listed as a Lodging house keeper aged 50 (she was b 1811)
Either Henry died after the birth of George in 1849, or they lived apart or split up, or perhaps Henry had some regular business elsewhere at that particular time of year and so doesn't appear with his family.

[Valda]

The 1851 census in Paddington clearly states both sons were born in Paddington (though on the 1861 census but in Surrey, and 1871 censuses, Charles Clarke does give his birthplace just as London Middlesex).
Are you sure this 1851 census is the correct family for Charles Thomas Colbourne who was born Lambeth in 1844?

Have you confirmed George's father was called Henry?

Possible birth registration

Births Sep 1848   
CLARKE  George John    Kensington   III 340

There was a George John Clarke, a barber/hairdresser, born Paddington on the later censuses.

Marriages Mar 1868
Clarke  George John     Kensington  1a 161       
Turner  Catherine Sarah     Kensington  1a 161


What occupation did Charles give for his father Henry Clarke on his marriage in 1867?

CHARLES THOMAS COBOURNE CLARKE
ROSINA MARRIOTT   
Marriage:  05 NOV 1867   Saint Leonards, Shoreditch, London

Deaths Jun 1879 
Clarke  Charles Thomas C  35  Poplar  1c 388


Regards

Valda

[Loophole]

I have Charles and Rosina's marriage certificate, father listed as Salesman, but not deceased, The couple give the address as Kingsland Road, Parish of St Leonard Shoreditch. As for George, I suppose it is possible for his father to be different, but I would have to order the BC to find out for certain. I have the will of Charles TC Clarke - short and sweet, just leaves everything to Rosina - no clues as to any other relatives from that!
Charles was apprenticed to a Watchmaker/Jeweller in Mitcham, Surrey, where he appears in 1861 aged 16. Quite possibly the family were 'on the slide' at this point, and so Charles had to find himself a trade. Rosina was a watchmaker's daughter, and herself carried on Charles' business for a time after his death. 
Had little success finding George after 1861, but I did find a Susan Clark, widow, aged 59 lodging in 15 Henrietta St, Marylebone in 1871. Frustratingly, her place of birth is given as that well-known town, 'Not Known'!!
Deaths possible for Henry searched between Sep 1867 and Dec 1871 include:
Dec 67 Pancras, aged 62
Dec 68 Croydon aged 55
Mar 70 Pancras aged 79
Jun 70 Marylebone aged 71
That's assuming he died in either London, Middlesex or Surrey - if he was a salesman and travelled, he could have popped off anywhere!
You see my dilemma - too many options, and if they moved around in London, how do you nail them down?!
Any more suggestons and scenarios are welcome!!
Linsey

[Valda]

Hi Linsey

Following George (either marriage or birth) would confirm whether you have the correct family on the 1851 and 1861 censuses.

This is the only George Clark(e) giving Paddington as a birthplace of about the right age on the censuses after 1861.

Marriages Mar 1868 
Clarke  George John     Kensington  1a 161   
Turner  Catherine Sarah     Kensington  1a 161

1871 census George J Clarke aged 25 born Paddington married in Islington RG10 262 folio 16
1881 census George J Clark aged 33 born Paddington married in South Mimms RG11 1368 folio 151
1891 census George J Clark aged aged 49 born Paddington in Islington RG12 175 folio 38
1901 census George John Clark aged 52 born Paddington in Islington RG13 160 folio 19


Regards

Valda

[barryd]

The widow Rosina Marriott Clarke married again to Henry W. Vant, a Tailor, at St. Mary's Whtechapel, 6 NOV 1887. She died at 10 South Street, Ponders End, London, 14 FEB 1914.

[..claire..]

Hi,

Both Charles Thomas Colbourne and George John were baptised together 15 Aug. 1849. at St. Johns Paddington.  Residence 3 London Street. Fathers occupation - servant.

George John (full age bachelor, hairdresser) married Catherine S Turner(full age spinster) at All Saints Paddington 8 Mar. 1868 . Both lived 10 Southwick Mews.
Grooms father: Henry Clark- occupation  Butler.
Brides father: James Turner- occupation Coachman
Witnesses:Jane Golding and Walter Turner.

Hope this helps
claire

[barryd]

Rosina Marriott Clarke was born December Qtr. 1838, Lymington, Hampshire. Father John Marriott.