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Charles GREEN of Thurleigh
« on: Sunday 16 November 08 11:49 GMT (UK) »
Charles Green was the eldest son of Richard Green (my g-g-g-g-grandfather) and Mary Elderkin, baptised in Thurleigh in 1801.

In 1841 he is listed as 35, and is living in Thurleigh with Ann 25, Jesse 14, Mary 11, and Benjamin aged 1.

I have assumed Ann is his wife! However, due to Ann's age Jesse and Mary can't be Ann's children.

In 1851, Charles and Ann Elizabeth, his wife, are 46 and 36 respectively, Mary Ann is 15, and there are several younger children including Benjamin now aged 11. Jesse is 23 and doing 4 months hard labour for poultry stealing!

The inference is that Ann Elizabeth must have been a second wife, and at least Jesse and probably Mary (depending on what her correct age is) are children of a first marriage. 

There's nothing on the IGI, as Thurleigh stops at 1812, so would some kind soul see if they can find in the later Thurleigh records:

1. A marriage for Charles and Ann Elizabeth - I would guess the earliest possible date would be about 1830 and the latest 1837 as there's nothing on FreeBMD. 
2. A baptism for Jesse, probably in 1827 as his age is pretty consistent throughout the census returns, in order to get his mother's name.
3. A possible first marriage for Charles to that mother, prior to Jesse's birth in 1827?
4. And of there is such a marriage, a possible burial for that wife?

I've checked the NBI on FamilyHistory online, but there are so many deaths for female Greens (if there WAS a first wife, I don't know her first name) in Bedfordshire between 1827 and 1840 that it simply isn't practical (or affordable!) to look them all up.

Any help gratefully received!

Wendy
Willson & Pell in Faversham, Egerton, Folkestone in Kent
Cornhill in Kent, Devon and Wokingham, Berks
Cadmans & Kings in Isleham, Cambs
Swan, Gregory, Smith & Mingay in the Burrough Green/Westley area of Cambs
Armstrong & Chandler in Bedford
Abbott/Abbit in Witham, Essex
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Re: Charles GREEN of Thurleigh
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 16 November 08 12:25 GMT (UK) »
Hi Wendy

Thurleigh marriages are on the BVRI

11 Oct 1824 Charles Green and Hannah Lovel
26 Apr 1835 Charles Green and Elisabeth Ann Brown

Burial at Thurleigh of Hannah Green age 42 on 22 Sep 1833

All the best

David
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Re: Charles GREEN of Thurleigh
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 16 November 08 13:20 GMT (UK) »
That's brill, David.  Many thanks!

My deductive powers aren't what they used to be but they still work pretty well, obviously!

Not sure about that burial though - if Hannah was 42 in 1833, that would have made her a good 10 years older than Charles, who was b about 1801.  Still, stranger things have happened....  Jesse went on to marry a woman about 12 years older than himself, so perhaps a liking for older women ran in the family!
Willson & Pell in Faversham, Egerton, Folkestone in Kent
Cornhill in Kent, Devon and Wokingham, Berks
Cadmans & Kings in Isleham, Cambs
Swan, Gregory, Smith & Mingay in the Burrough Green/Westley area of Cambs
Armstrong & Chandler in Bedford
Abbott/Abbit in Witham, Essex
Davies/Davis in Islington & Hackney

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Re: Charles GREEN of Thurleigh
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 16 November 08 20:48 GMT (UK) »
David
Am messaging you on this thread as it's your most recent activity (I can't work out how to send a personal msg!!)...on another thread, you mentioned you have researched the Legates of Henlow back to C17th - would you consider letting me have a copy?
Many thanks, Steve


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Re: Charles GREEN of Thurleigh
« Reply #4 on: Monday 17 November 08 06:41 GMT (UK) »
Hi Steve

Welcome to Rootschat

To send a personal message just click on "Bedfordshire Boy" on the left hand side of this message and one of the options that comes up is Send a personal message. If you send me a PM with your email address I'll send you my Legate report - what's your connection?

David
Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey/Rook
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey/Rook
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:   Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs: Bourn: Bowd
            Eltisley: Medlock
            Graveley: Ford/Revell

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Re: Charles GREEN of Thurleigh
« Reply #5 on: Monday 17 November 08 08:00 GMT (UK) »
Hello Steve and welcome.

I think you may need to post one more message before the Personal message option becomes available. I recall that 3 messages was the  requirement by the moderators at one time.


Hi Wendy,

This GREEN family is part of my husbands tree and I have an extensive old handwritten tree passed on by hubby's grandparents.

I can't vouch for accuracy but this is what it says

 Charles GREEN  b 29 Nov 1801 died 2 Jan 1866
Wife1 Hannah LOVELL died 22 Oct 1833
Charles and Hannah married 11 Oct 1824
They had 3 chn
Elizabeth b & d 26 Apr 1825
Jesse b 1 March 1827
Richard  b 26 Jun 1831 d 22 Sept  1833

Wife 2 Mary Ann BROWN married 26 March 1835
They have 8 more children

Our line is through the youngest brother of Charles,  Benjamin.
It gives lineage back to Charles great grandparents. If you don't have this information I am happy to pass it on.

Regards
Robyn
SCOTLAND
Macdonald, Buchan, Stuart, McCook -Angus/ Aberdeenshire
McLeod, McKenzie- Sutherland
 
IRELAND
McIlhagga, Craig - Antrim

ENGLAND
Stone, Murch, Ireland, Austin, Perryman - Devon
Holder, Robinson -Warwickshire/Staffordshire

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Re: Charles GREEN of Thurleigh
« Reply #6 on: Monday 17 November 08 10:49 GMT (UK) »
Thanks everyone for yr responses (and sorry for hijacking somebody else's thread!!!) - am now in touch with David directly. Steve

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Re: Charles GREEN of Thurleigh
« Reply #7 on: Monday 17 November 08 11:29 GMT (UK) »
Many thanks, Robyn - I take it you are one of the Australian branch, if you descend from Benjamin? I descend from his sister Eleanor, who married John Armstrong of Ravensden in 1833.

I was interested in Charles, as he was the only brother who stayed in the UK - Benjamin went to South Australia and William went to the USA, both in the mid 1840s. 

Your information reflects what David found on the BVRI - other than the first name of Charles's second wife. Your info says Mary Ann - BVRI says Elizabeth Ann. But as she appears to have used her second name anyway, I guess it's not material! She WAS listed as Ann Elizabeth in 1851, though.

However, I can't find her or any of the younger children after 1851.  Charles and Benjamin are boarders in Keyston, Hunts, in 1861, but no sign of the rest of the family. Does your old info say what happened to them?
Willson & Pell in Faversham, Egerton, Folkestone in Kent
Cornhill in Kent, Devon and Wokingham, Berks
Cadmans & Kings in Isleham, Cambs
Swan, Gregory, Smith & Mingay in the Burrough Green/Westley area of Cambs
Armstrong & Chandler in Bedford
Abbott/Abbit in Witham, Essex
Davies/Davis in Islington & Hackney

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Re: Charles GREEN of Thurleigh
« Reply #8 on: Monday 17 November 08 20:59 GMT (UK) »
Hello Wndy;

The Riseley PR says Richard Green was from Cople on his marriage to Mary Elderkin in 1795.

Also there's an Elizabeth Elderkin b 1821 who married Hugh Doughty in 1840
see http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,303642.0.html

John

 

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