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RICHARDS - Baptism in Woodford
« on: Tuesday 18 November 08 22:28 GMT (UK) »
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Can anyone hlep me with the baptism of John Richards, I believe he was born 1803 in Woodford by Thrapston?  Also looking for baptism of Hephizbah Richards.  She married in 1811 in Woodford, so between 1794 and 1803.  I'm hoping that John & Hephzibah are siblings.

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SMITH;  HANDS;  ANDREWS;  STOPP;  Bham/Stretton/Stratford Avon
CLARKE;  STOPP;  Stretton on Dunsmore
HUMPHREYS;  WILLIAMS;  Smethwick/Woodford
WEST;  NICHOLS;  Stratford on Avon
WILLIAMS: Smethwick/W. Brom/Hanley Castle
WHITEHOUSE: W.Brom/Tipton
WINSPER;  Bilston
ADAMS;  Gun Trade
PHILLIPS; Bristol(Clifton)/Bham
LANE;  BALL;  Bristol
OLIVER: Newland
BENNETT: Smethwick/Hanley Castle/Ledbury
RICHARDS: Collycroft
STEPHENS: Newent
WELLS: Woodford
BUSBY: Steeple Aston/Abingdon/Tipton

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Re: RICHARDS - Baptism in Woodford
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 18 November 08 22:50 GMT (UK) »
What are thier parents names  ???
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Re: RICHARDS - Baptism in Woodford
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 19 November 08 07:27 GMT (UK) »
Hello Patrish

Sorry, I don't know yet, I'm not that far back.  I'm really trying to find the birth of Sarah Richards who is my g.g.grandmother born in Warwickshire according to census returns but I can't find her. 

So I'm coming at this from another angle.   I know she married in Woodford in 1844.

Sarah appears in 1841 in Woodford in the household of James Smart, along with a John Richards who is 15 years her senior and unmarried (maybe a brother or uncle).

In 1851 John Richards (unmarried) is still living with James Smart (widower) and John is described as brother-in-law to James.  A kind RC found the marriage of James Smart and Hephzibah Richards in 1811 in Woodford and I have assumed that John Richards and Hephzibah Richards are siblings.

Sarah Richards is the daughter of George Richards according to her marriage cert.

Sorry this is convoluted but, as I say, I'm trying another (any) angle to get to Sarah.

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SMITH;  HANDS;  ANDREWS;  STOPP;  Bham/Stretton/Stratford Avon
CLARKE;  STOPP;  Stretton on Dunsmore
HUMPHREYS;  WILLIAMS;  Smethwick/Woodford
WEST;  NICHOLS;  Stratford on Avon
WILLIAMS: Smethwick/W. Brom/Hanley Castle
WHITEHOUSE: W.Brom/Tipton
WINSPER;  Bilston
ADAMS;  Gun Trade
PHILLIPS; Bristol(Clifton)/Bham
LANE;  BALL;  Bristol
OLIVER: Newland
BENNETT: Smethwick/Hanley Castle/Ledbury
RICHARDS: Collycroft
STEPHENS: Newent
WELLS: Woodford
BUSBY: Steeple Aston/Abingdon/Tipton

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Re: RICHARDS - Baptism in Woodford
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 19 November 08 08:04 GMT (UK) »
Here are the Baptisms.

Woodford Parish Church

27 Jan 1788, Elizabeth d of John and Mary Richards
05 Apr 1791, Hephzibah d of John and Mary, privately
16 May 1795, Mary d of John and Mary, privately
24 Jan 1802, John s of John and Mary

No George I am afraid and it is the only family of that surname
baptizing there in the Parish Church.

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Re: RICHARDS - Baptism in Woodford
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 19 November 08 08:17 GMT (UK) »
Thankyou Sandy

I suppose the fact that my Sarah is in the same household as John Richards in 1841 could be a coincidence.  I'm sure there is a family connection here somewhere, however (or am I grasping as straws in my desperation??)!!!

I'll have to think of another angle for this one.

Many thanks for you time, much appreciated.

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SMITH;  HANDS;  ANDREWS;  STOPP;  Bham/Stretton/Stratford Avon
CLARKE;  STOPP;  Stretton on Dunsmore
HUMPHREYS;  WILLIAMS;  Smethwick/Woodford
WEST;  NICHOLS;  Stratford on Avon
WILLIAMS: Smethwick/W. Brom/Hanley Castle
WHITEHOUSE: W.Brom/Tipton
WINSPER;  Bilston
ADAMS;  Gun Trade
PHILLIPS; Bristol(Clifton)/Bham
LANE;  BALL;  Bristol
OLIVER: Newland
BENNETT: Smethwick/Hanley Castle/Ledbury
RICHARDS: Collycroft
STEPHENS: Newent
WELLS: Woodford
BUSBY: Steeple Aston/Abingdon/Tipton

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Re: RICHARDS - Baptism in Woodford
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 19 November 08 08:25 GMT (UK) »
HI Jamys

I guess somewhere there will be a clue to link them.  :)

Does Sarah's Marriage Certificate give any clues on the witnessses at all.

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Re: RICHARDS - Baptism in Woodford
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 19 November 08 11:19 GMT (UK) »
Hello Sandy

Sarah married Samuel Humphreys 17th March 1844 in Woodford. Samuel was a carpenter and his father, Samuel was also a carpenter.  Sarah's father was George a woolcomber.  The witnesses were William Abbott and Jane Humphreys (Sam's sister), both William and Jane made their mark.  I have all census returns for Samuel & Sarah and no Richards ever appear with them.

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SMITH;  HANDS;  ANDREWS;  STOPP;  Bham/Stretton/Stratford Avon
CLARKE;  STOPP;  Stretton on Dunsmore
HUMPHREYS;  WILLIAMS;  Smethwick/Woodford
WEST;  NICHOLS;  Stratford on Avon
WILLIAMS: Smethwick/W. Brom/Hanley Castle
WHITEHOUSE: W.Brom/Tipton
WINSPER;  Bilston
ADAMS;  Gun Trade
PHILLIPS; Bristol(Clifton)/Bham
LANE;  BALL;  Bristol
OLIVER: Newland
BENNETT: Smethwick/Hanley Castle/Ledbury
RICHARDS: Collycroft
STEPHENS: Newent
WELLS: Woodford
BUSBY: Steeple Aston/Abingdon/Tipton

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Re: RICHARDS - Baptism in Woodford
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 19 November 08 16:43 GMT (UK) »
Hi Jamys

In that case do you have any information on George Richard's father of
Sarah i.e. Marriage or Census details ?.

In the censuses you have is there any difference in Sarah's P.O.B. or County ?.

I am sure you may have covered the above, if not is Sarah an illegitimate child
named Rchards after her mother's marriage ?.

Just thinking these maybe some other options.

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Re: RICHARDS - Baptism in Woodford
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 19 November 08 22:38 GMT (UK) »
Hello Sandy

The only thing I know about George is from Sarah's marriage cert and that he was a woolcomber.  Sarah was "off full age".

In '41 Sarah is 20 in Woodford but "N" entered into the column for "Whether born in same County".
'51 she is 30 and born Bedworth, Warwick.
'61 she is 40 and born Collecroft, Warwick.
'71 she is 50 and born Colecraft, Warwick.
'81 she is 60 and born Colly Croft, Warwick.

Colleycroft does not appear to have had a church but I've checked the nearby parishes of Chilvers Coton, Bulkington, Walsgave on Sowe, Exhall and Astley.  I've also checked Bedworth and Coventry.

There were several Richards families in Collycroft/Bedworth in 1841, one particular unmarried lady called Sarah Richards age 40.  In '51 still unmarried living with her sister Mary and brother-in-law.  Missing in '61.  Living with her brother John in '71 and still single.  I believe Sarah, Mary and John to be the children of Joseph Richards and Elizabeth Bell, all baptised Bedworth.

A George Richards married Ann Suffolk in 1804 in Bedworth.  They had a son, John in 1805.  I can find no other children for George & Ann.

If Sarah was illegitimate and not a Richards at birth then I wouldn't know where to start looking for her.

I've been picking this one up and putting it down for a few years now, but I still feel there is a link with the Woodford Richards.

The only other thing I have to go on is that Samuel & Sarah's first child, a son, was baptised GEORGE Samuel so the name George must have had some significance.  I can't find a George in Samuel's family so it must have come from Sarah's family and I don't believe a first son would have been called George if Sarah had made up her father's name for her marriage cert.

Thanks for hanging in there Sandy.

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Jamys
SMITH;  HANDS;  ANDREWS;  STOPP;  Bham/Stretton/Stratford Avon
CLARKE;  STOPP;  Stretton on Dunsmore
HUMPHREYS;  WILLIAMS;  Smethwick/Woodford
WEST;  NICHOLS;  Stratford on Avon
WILLIAMS: Smethwick/W. Brom/Hanley Castle
WHITEHOUSE: W.Brom/Tipton
WINSPER;  Bilston
ADAMS;  Gun Trade
PHILLIPS; Bristol(Clifton)/Bham
LANE;  BALL;  Bristol
OLIVER: Newland
BENNETT: Smethwick/Hanley Castle/Ledbury
RICHARDS: Collycroft
STEPHENS: Newent
WELLS: Woodford
BUSBY: Steeple Aston/Abingdon/Tipton