MOLD - Williams/Jones: is it possible to find them?!

[tomatillo]

I'd be grateful for any help in looking for the marriage (or any other info!) of Robert WILLIAMS (born c1837) and Elizabeth JONES (born c1840) around 1861-1863 in MOLD.

A bit of background. They moved from Mold to Durham in the late 1860s. Obviously the names are both really common Welsh names so I am having difficulty tracking them down before that.... In the 1871 Census they both give their place of birth and those of their children as Mold, Flintshire so I am guessing that is where they married (though it may have been in a nearby village). I can't find them as a married couple in the 1861 Welsh Census so I think they must have married after early 1861. The first child was born c1863 so (assuming this was after the marriage) I am guessing that a marriage around 1861-3 in Mold is most likely. There are quite a few possibilities on freebmd so I'm not sure whether it is possible for me to be sure that I have the right ones.

I am not sure how to do census references properly but the 1871 Census ref on ancestry is  Class: RG10; Piece: 4934; Folio: 35; Page: 23; GSU roll: 848020. The only other information that I have is that Robert's brother John (born c1844) is living with them in later censuses. Elizabeth's maiden name comes from the birth certificate of one of the children born in Durham and I am sure that is the right one.

Many thanks in advance for any help in finding the marriage or detangling them!

[wrjones]

North Wales BMD gives a possible Marriage for Robert Williams and Elizabeth Jones at Mold St Mary in 1863.The GRO equivalent reference for this Marriage is,Holywell Registration District January Quarter,Volume 11b,Page 400.

Regards
William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.

[wrjones]

Just one other thing,when quoting Census entries,they should be shown as RG10/4934/35/23.There is no need to quote the GSU number.

Regards
William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexhm.

[Paul]

Hello Tomatilo, Mold marriage March 21 1863.
Robert Williams(X). full age. Bachelor. Occ, Collier. abode, Ferns Yard. Father, Peter. Occ, Labourer.
Elizabeth Jones(X). full age. Spinster. abode, New Street. Father, Robert. Occ, Sawyer.
Witnesses. Thomas Jones & Margaret Jones.
(X)= did not sign made mark.

Paul.

[wrjones]

Following on from Paul's details of the Marriage,living in Mold in a Street that's difficult to read are;
Peter Williams,Agricultural Labourer born c 1801.
Barbara Williams born c 1801.
Mary Williams born c 1836.
Robert Williams born c 1837.
Sarah Williams born c 1840.
All are given as born in Flintshire.HO107/1410/38/12.
Living at Bulley's Yard Mold in 1851 are,
Peter Williams born Mold Flintshire in c 1797,Farm Labourer.
Barbara Williams Wife,born Mold Flintshire in c 1801.
Sarah Williams Daughter,born Mold Flintshire in c 1839.
Catherine Williams Daughter,born Mold Flintshir in c 1840.
John Williams Son,born Mold Flintshire in c 1844.
HO107/2501/531/5.As for Robert there is a Robert Williams given as born in Mold in c 1837 working as a Servant in Mold.I can't see any sign of Robert in 1861.

Regards
William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.

[wrjones]

As for Elizabeth Jones's Family living in New Street Mold in 1851 are;
Robert Jones,Sawyer(Journeyman) born Mold Flintshire in c 1806.
Margaret Jones,Wife born Mold Flintshire in c 1807.
Thomas Jones,Son Sawyer(Journeyman) born Mold Flintshire in c 1836.
Anne Jones,Daughter Servant(At Home) born Mold Flintshire in 1838.
Elizabeth Jones,Daughter born Mold Flintshire in c 1840.
Margaret Jones,Daughter born Mold Flintshire in c 1845.
Sarah Jones,Daughter born Mold Flintshire in c 1848.
Edward Jones,Son born Mold Flintshire,given as 10 months old.
HO107/2501/564/17.

Regards
William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.

[tomatillo]

Thank you both very much for your help with this. Those details (for the marriage and the census) fit everything that I have for them. Robert and Elizabeth's first son was Peter and their second daughter was Barbara so there is a family link to the names. Robert was a coal miner when he was in Durham (though I doubt he was the only Robert Williams, collier in the area!) so that fits the marriage record too. Also, Robert's brother John born around 1844 fits that 1851 Census record.

It looks like a pretty strong match for the family. Thank you very much again for your help with this.

PS Paul, if you have the time and the baptisms for Mold I would be extremely grateful if you wouldn't mind checking to see whether there was a Peter Williams baptised for Robert and Elizabeth around 1863? (or possibly a Peter Jones in 1862....). Thanks for your help.

[tomatillo]

cross posts wrjones. Many thanks for those details too. Robert and Elizabeth's first daughter was Margaret so again there is a family link to the name

[Carlos Foulkes]

Hi!...Robert was my Great Grand mother brother. Robert 1838-1900 = Elizabeth 1844-1930

Regards