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Re: Moyes 'ancestors'
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 13 February 24 02:54 GMT (UK) »
I am a great-grandson of Andrew, living in New Zealand.

I have seen his death certificate,  and I can confirm that he died in a mining accident in Markinch in 1894.

The eldest son, James lived in the Morpeth area of Northumberland.  Two grandchildren emigrated to NZ (perhaps 1960s).

Son John emigrated to NZ early 1900's with his family.

Son George (My grandfather) immigrated to NZ in 1926 with his family.


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Re: Moyes 'ancestors'
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 13 February 24 03:13 GMT (UK) »
A little more on Andrew Moyes (1848 - 1894)
- died 28 Nov 1894 at Isabella Coal Pit, Markinch.  On DC his mother is listed as "MS Wyse".

James Moyes his "father" had several sisters.  I will get details but one had an illegitimate daughter about 2 years younger than Andrew.

Family:
Margaret 1867-1897 m Thomas Cunningham
James 1869-1940 m Williamson Dixon
Thomas 1871-1871
Andrew 1872-1881
John 1875 - 1951 m Nellie Donaldson
David 1878 - ?? believed to have gone to Sth Africa (possibly Boer War)
William 1881 -  m Granty Robertson.  My aunt remembered him.
George 1883 - 1972 m Agnes Reid
Jessie Hutton 1885 -
Alexander 1887 - 1887

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Re: Moyes 'ancestors'
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 14 February 24 01:35 GMT (UK) »
Here are the details of the siblings of James Moyes "father" of Andrew Moyes
ie children of David Moyes and Mary Allen.  Note that in the 1851 census Mary is a "midwife practising".  Perhaps Mary delivered Andrew Moyes??

1. Ann Moyes b.9 Mar 1823 m 1852 to Robert Tod.  They disappear from Scotland Census.
2. James Moyes b.28 Dec 1824; m.1845 to Jane/Jean Hutton; m2 1860 to Elizabeth Russell
3. Mary Moyes b.17 May 1830 - presumably died before 1832
4. Mary Moyes b.17 Dec 1832 - more on Mary below
4a. In census George Moyes & Agnes Moyes (twins) born 30 Apr 1833 - must be "adopted"
5. David Moyes b.28 Jan 1836; m. Christina Dick
6. Christina Moyes b. 20 Apr 1838 m Robert Houston
7. Henry Moyes b.22 July 1840 m. Euphemia Vivian McKinley

Mary Moyes b17 Dec 1832 (timeline)
- 1850 daughter Jeanie Moyes b.10 Jan 1850 - Dunfermline, Fife.  Vital records online show her father as David Smith,  perhaps a late baptism, but she doesn't appear as "Smith" in Census.
- 1851 Census Jeanie is in household of David Moyes/Mary Allan. Relationship to head of household shown as niece.  David Moyes was youngest of his generation,  can only be great-niece see 1871 Census.
- 1871[?] Census Jean is in household of James Moyes/Elizabeth Russell. Relationship to head of household shown as niece.  (This matches exactly her being daughter of Mary Moyes).

Timeline of Mary Moyes (continued)
- 1852 marriage to David Smith
- 1854 son Thomas Smith b.1854
- 1857 son David Smith b.5 Apr 1857 - Dunfermline, Fife
- 1859 daughter Mary Allan b.6 Apr 1859 - Dunfermline, Fife
- 1863 daughter Agnes Walls Moyes b.21 Sep 1863 - Dunfermline, Fife

My thoughts (circumstantial evidence only) is that Andrew Moyes (1848) is a good fit to be the natural brother of Jeanie Moyes (1850).

Another possible scenario is that Mary Moyes (nee Allan) delivered Andrew, but the mother died.  In that situation what would the midwife do?

Family surnames on certificates
The name "Simpson" on cert of Andrew Moyes/Agnes Haxton,  presumably is what Andrew had been told.  The only source of the name "Wyse" that makes sense is that Andrew tried to find out about his own origins.  Is there any reason to think it is accurate?  I haven't found any Wyse/Simpson marriage.

A red herring
I did research an Andrew Simpson born close to the same date as Andrew and within about 10 miles.  The father was "Simpson", the mother was "Petrie".  That Andrew Simpson is also in the 1851 Census with his family, all alive and well.


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Re: Moyes 'ancestors'
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 14 February 24 09:33 GMT (UK) »
Family surnames on certificates
The name "Simpson" on cert of Andrew Moyes/Agnes Haxton,  presumably is what Andrew had been told.  The only source of the name "Wyse" that makes sense is that Andrew tried to find out about his own origins.  Is there any reason to think it is accurate?  I haven't found any Wyse/Simpson marriage.
Maybe a bit far-fetched but I wonder if Wyse could possibly have been a misinterpretation of Moyes?
Never trust anything you find online (especially submitted trees and transcriptions on Ancestry, MyHeritage, FindMyPast and other commercial web sites) unless it's an image of an original document - and even then be wary because errors can and do occur.