Jim Herlihy's RIC books

[eadaoin]

at the Gilbert Library today looked up the Peter Dunnes.

There were 8 Peter Dunn / Dunne.
4 before 1860 (too early?) and 1 about 1908 (too late)
I'll just mention the other 3.

RIC no ... period covered (from J.H.s other book)

38188 ... ~1871-72
44681 ... Sep 1878-Dec 1879
53690 ... 1889 early in the year?

 this last would only have him serving 5 years at marriage ..... but one of my lot married after 6 yrs, obviously kept it secret, and married her again the next yr in a different church!

eadaoin

[edinjam]

Eadoin - thanks for that - can't wait to get his marriage certificate so that I can get a clearer of idea of his year of birth.  I wondered whether the 7 year rule was an absolute.  Jim Herlihy replied to me and suggested a Peter Dunne that it might be (but didn't give me the service number) but it sounded as if it would have meant that he married a little before the 7 year period - so it's interesting what you say about your relative!  I will post back on this thread when I know more.

Thank you for taking the time to look this up at the Gilbert Library - I very much appreciate it!

Mary

[aghadowey]

Marriage certificates for Co. Londonderry up until c1946 will say whether or not of full age (and if not the age in eyars is supposed to be given).

[edinjam]

Well marriage certificate is back - bit disapppointed it didn't give his age - although Aghadowey's post had prepared me for the fact that it might just say "full" which indeed it did.  He was down as a Policeman and his father Edward Dunne was "living" and a labourer.

So if he was 19 when he joined (minimum age) and served 7 years before this marriage he would have to be at least 26 in May 1894 - so the earliest he could have been born is 1868.  His residence at time of  marriage is Belfast (where he was serving I know for certain in 1897 and 1900) and his wife's residence is down as Derry.

So now where to look for his birth - it could be Derry where his wife was from?  Or it could be anywhere really couldn't it?

As far as the RIC records go, I guess Eadaoin's earlier post with the three Peter Dunnes is a good place to start - now to see which of the three is the likeliest! I guess he could have enlisted as an older man - in his 20s even thirties.  I know he was still working as a prison warder in 1920 at Crumlin Road Jail but have no idea of his year of death

Thanks for all your replies and advice.  Will probably wait until after New Year now to pursue this.

[aghadowey]

Looks like he was probably born 1868 or earlier but civil registration of births started in 1864 so there may not be a birth certificate for him. What's the name and occupation of his father on the marriage certificate?

[edinjam]

His father was Edward Dunne and his occupation was labourer - he was still alive at the time of the marriage. Nothing to get my teeth into!

[aghadowey]

How do you know Edward Dunne was born alive at the time of his son's marriage?

[edinjam]

 "how do you know Edward Dunne was born at the time of his son's marriage?"

Did you mean, "how do you know Edward Dunne was ALIVE at the time of his son's marriage"?

If you mean the latter it says under "Father's name and Surname" Edward Dunne and underneath what appears to be the word "Living" then under Rank and Profession "Labourer".  Under his brides' father it says "Patrick Devanney" - Dead and the occupation is blank.

In the presence of has the names Ellen Tracey and what I am deciphering as Hugh Boyle CR - at least that's what the last two letters seem to spell out.

[aghadowey]

Yes, meant alive not born. Unusual to see 'living' writen on an Irish marriage certificate.