All Census Lookup please Jago and Preston

[wozzle]

kirsten
how sure are you on the death date of ann hudson
you have her birth down as 1807 and her death down as 1897 and her age at death as 79??
place of death south shields.
1/ i have found her in tynemouth in 1881 as shown by the 1881 census posted.
2/ i cannot find her anywhere after 1881
3/ i found james/jane fry in 1891 ann hudson is not with them
4/the 1881 census was taken on the 3rd april
5/ i found this death entry which is very possibly her.
name; ann hudson
y.o.r. 1881
qtr. apr/may/jun.
dist. tynemouth
vol. 10b
page. 112.
est.birth year. 1807
age at death; 74.
this death seems to tie in with everything known about ann hudson

[proteantime]

Thanks again!

Wozzle I think you may be right on the money with the death and don't you love the submarine diver AND grocer bit!  Obviously good enough money on the side if you get yourself a Scandinavian lass to help out.

From the directories it looks like a Thomas is at Percy street although not on the census:

Kelly's Directory of Northumberland, 1894
Fry James, fancy bazaar & bicycle depot, 39 Front St.
Fry Stephen, apartments, Lovaine row
Fry Thomas, boat proprietor, Percy square

Kelly's Directory of Northumberland, 1914
Fry James Coxon, diver, 3 Horsley Terrace

The Coxon bit could be the mother's maiden name although I couldn't find a marriage or birth for a Jane Alice Coxon.  I did however find a possibility:

Births Mar 1843 Tynemouth  25 454
CLENNELL  Jane Alice 

Marriages Mar 1863 Newcastle T  10b 28   
CLENNELL  Jane Alice     
FRY  James     

And her death:

1901 S. Shields  10a 410
FRY Jane Alice (Age: 57)

I also found the son James' marriage:

Marriages Sep 1896 Tynemouth  10b 386
FRY  James Coxon       
MONSON  Jane Lizzie     or
Turnbull  Isabella Ann

Is there any chance we could clear this up with the census again?

Seems strange that the kids all have differing middle names - Woodhouse, Cook and Coxon if her maiden name is Clennel.  This seems to break with the pattern I can see in all lines of this branch with the mother's maiden name coming in consistently.

Many thanks,

Kirsten     

[wozzle]

is this what you want
1901
RG13/4804/7/5.
transcribed as try not fry
james.c.fry age 31. b. tynemouth. cc. submarine diver. head.
isabella age 30. b. widderington. northumberland. wife.
james.c.fry age 4. b. tynemouth. son.
william franklin age 31. b. germany. occ. auctioneer. visitor.
marian franklin age 28. b. armouth,norfolk. visitor.
living at;3,horsley terrace,tynemouth.
reg.dist. tynemouth.

[wozzle]

i think that is probably the right marriage between jane alice clennell and james fry
found this her fathers name is interesting
goes with one of there childrens names
marriage
jane alice clennell aged 19
spouse james fry aged 27
father; fenwick clennell
marr date; 15th feb 1863
marriage place; newcastle upon tyne
will see if i can find her before the marriage to james fry
hopefully eventually find her mothers maiden name.

[wozzle]

here is possibly her father in 1861
RG9/3852/27/3
william james age 55. b. wallsend. occ. farmer. head.
ann age 60. b. bolam. wife.
fenwick clennell age 59. b. north shields. occ. shipwright. lodger.(marr)
john davidson age 16. b. whalton. lodger.
george davidson age 14. b. stanington. lodger.
living at;milburn,northumberland.
reg.dist. castle ward.
where is his wife and daughter?

[wozzle]

cannot find the wife and daughter in 1861 yet
found fenwick in 1871 he is with his wife
RG10/5129/11/16.
robert young age 29. b. scotland. occ. coal miner. head.
anne  age 39. b. s.shields. wife.
fenwick.c. age 3. b. earsdon. son.
jane.a.clennell age 10. b. tynemouth. step daughter.
fenwick clennell age 70. b. n.shields. occ. ships carpenter. father in law
elizabeth clennell age 68. b. ditto. mother in law.
living at;holywell,northumberland.
reg.dist.tynemouth

will now try to find elizabeth in earlier censuses

[wozzle]

finally found mother and daughter in 1861
transcribed as chennell
1861
RG9/3843/26/45
elizabeth clennell age 58. b. north shields. wife.
elizabeth age 32. b. sunderland. daughter.
jane alice chennell age 18. b. north shields. daughter.
jane.a. age 6mnths. b. tynemouth. grand daughter.
ann crighton age 30. b. north shields.(widow)
living at;64,percy street,tynemouth.
it does not state what relationship ann crighton is (possibly elizabeths daughter)

[wozzle]

1851
HO107/2408/12/17.
transcribed as clewell
fenwick clennell age 49. b. north shields. occ. shipwright. head.
elizabeth age 47. b. ditto. wife.
elizabeth age 23. b. ditto. daughter.
james age 18. b. ditto. occ. seaman. son.
isabella age 15. b. ditto. daughter.
mordant age 12. b. meare,cumberland. son.
jane age 7. b. north shields. daughter.
living at;byker,all saints,newcastle upon tyne.

have a feeling this might end up as a dead end with regard to elizabeths maiden name?

[wozzle]

think this is them in 1841
husband not with them
HO107/
transcribed s clementi
elizabeth clennell age 36.
elizabeth age 13
ann age 11
phylis age 6
mordant age 4
all born in county
next to elizabeth senior it says wife of s------ this is then crossed out missing word could be shipwright
is phylis possibly isabella?
living at;tynemouth,northumberland
so the marriage is around 1826 or thereabouts.