hi Paul,
thanks for that, another step closer. its no wonder i get confused, none of them seem to know how old they are. I've found George on the 1841-1881 census's and he ranges 1814/16 and his wife Mary Griffiths 1841-1891,who ranges from 1811/17. its great that you can verify the parents of George. you wont find Emma though as I've now found out she was born in penley, flint, the same as her mother. all the info is very much appreciated, regards, Jan.