Jessie gardner

[jesgardner]

Thank you so much for this help. I feel sure this is the right family. It is very interesting to us.
Please can you tell me does the 1891 census indicate how old is Jessie's father William  that year? Also is there any way of checking how long the 3 brothers lived and whether they had any children.
Since at least 2 of the children were not spoken about by Jessie they could have died young or emigrated.
I am very interested in her mother Catherine Gowans and wonder if it is more helpful for me to start a new Scottish thread relating to her. I see there is a working 13 year old Catherine Gowans in Midlothian in 1861 and wonder if it is she.

[jorose]

I can't access the full info, but it appears William Gardner is born about 1849 in London. I wonder why they can't be spotted in 1881?

There is also married in Pancras a Jessie Gowans in 1867.  I think she may have married Henry George Kemp - there's a Jessie Kemp, 33, b. Scotland, with husband Henry, 28, a butcher, in Dartford, Kent, in 1871.  They have a 3 year old son (Henry?) and a daughter Martha.

In 1881 they are in Stone In Dartford but Jessie has been indexed as "June".

I think it would be worth getting the marriage certificate, but in the meantime you could see if anyone can find Catherine and Jessie together, perhaps in the 1851 census.  It's difficult to find the brothers because the name is relatively common and their first names are as well.

I think Catherine might have died in 1898 in Pancras, listed as aged 49. (freebmd again).

[jesgardner]

Thanks again for this help. I see the problem with tracking brothers William, John and Thomas Gardner in London. I tried putting a query about Catherine and Jessie on the Scottish board, but have had no replies so far. Gowans seems to be fairly rare-even in Scotland.
I will order the 1871 marriage certificate of Catherine Gowans and William Gardner if this seems necessary to follow this through and report back.

[jesgardner]

The 1871 marriage certificate shows that William Gardner aged 26, painter of 10, College Grove, whose father was William Gardner, Plumber (deceased)  married Catherine Gowans aged 23 in the Parish Church, London Town on Aug 16th 1871.
Catherine Gowans is listed as aged 23, resident of 53, Woburn Place, St Georges Bloomsbury. Her father's name is given as Charles Gowans , Engineer (deceased). The witness is Maria Stonehouse. Presumably she is a friend.

 I also spotted from the 1901 census that Catherine's daughter Jessie (aged 20) is staying with her 29 year old brother William ( and his wife Emily)
at 42 Victoria Road. This address is very close to that which I know family members were living 20 years later.

I am still very uncertain about the earlier life of Catherine. A suggestion from the censuses was made that she was staying at a Gowans home in 17 Holmhead Street, Lanarkshire but had been born in the Cannongate. There are a number of Gowan children at that address including a Charles who is a little older than Catherene ( note different spelling).

[Valda]

Hi Jess

1891 census RG12 116 folio 88
198 Stanhope Street St Pancras
William Gardner 42 Head Married House Decorator St Pancras London
Catherine Gardner 40 Wife Married  Scotland
William Gardner 18 Son Plumber St Pancras London
John Gardner 16 Son Barnbro? Bank worker St Pancras London
Thomas Gardner 14 Son Shop boy Grocers St Pancas London
Jessie Gardner 10 Daughter St Pancras London

1881 census RG11 202 folio 51
37 Middlesex Street St Pancras
W. Gardner 32 Head Married Painter St Pancras Middlesex
C. Gardner 28 Wife Married Edinburgh
C. Gardner 9 Daughter St Pancras Middlesex
W. Gardner 7 Son St Pancras Middlesex 
G. Gardner 5 Son St Pancras Middlesex 
T. Gardner 3 Son St Pancras Middlesex
J. Gardner 8 months St Pancras Middlesex   

Possible birth registration for the eldest daughter

Births Sep 1872 
GARDNER  Catherine Sarah M     Pancras  1b 115

Possible death registration for Catherine

Deaths Mar 1898   
Gardner  Catherine  49  Pancras  1b 81

and perhaps for William though the age is out by a few years

Deaths Mar 1893   
Gardner  William  47  Pancras  1b 137

1871 census RG10 232 folio 75
10 College Grove St Pancras
Henry Stonehouse 40 Head Married  Smith Hampstead Middlesex
Maria Stonehouse 33 Wife Married  St Pancras Middlesex
and 8 children from aged 10 to 4 months all born St Pancras
William Gardner 23  Brother-in-law Unmarried Painter St Pancras Middlesex

Marriages Dec 1863 
GARDNER  Maria    Pancras  1b 283   
GARDNER  Maria     Pancras  1b 283     
Stonehouse  Henry     Pancras  1b 283

1861 census RG9 115 folio 11
30 Hawley Crescent St Pancras
William Gardner 56 Head Married  Journeyman Plumber Marylebone Middlesex
Maria Gardner 52  Wife Married Norwich Norfolk
Henry R Gardner 24  Son Journeyman Plumber St Pancras Middlesex
William Gardner 12 Son St Pancras Middlesex
plus 1 boarder - the same man as in 1851

1851 census HO107 1497 folio 65
5 ? St Pancras
William Gardener 44  Head Married Plumber St Pancras Middlesex
Maria Gardener 40 Wife Married  St Pancras Middlesex
Henry Gardener 14  Son Plumber St Pancras Middlesex
Maria Gardener 11 Daughter St Pancras Middlesex
William Gardener 2 Son  St Pancras Middlesex
plus 2 lodgers

WILLIAM GARDNER
Birth:  13 OCT 1848   
Christening:  08 NOV 1848   Old Church, Saint Pancras, London, England
Father:  WILLIAM GARDNER   
Mother:  MARIA     

Some of William's potential siblings

ANN MARIA GARDNER
Birth:  14 SEP 1832   
Christening:  10 FEB 1833   Old Church, Saint Pancras, London
Father:  WILLIAM GARDNER 
Mother:  MARIA 

JOHN WILLIAM GARDNER 
Birth:  20 AUG 1834   
Christening:  15 SEP 1834   Old Church, Saint Pancras, London
Father:  WILLIAM GARDNER 
Mother:  MARIA 

HENRY ROBERT GARDNER
Birth:  31 MAY 1836   
Christening:  19 JUN 1836   Old Church, Saint Pancras, London
Father:  WILLIAM GARDNER 
Mother:  MARIA 

ELIZABETH GARDNER
Birth:  11 FEB 1838   
Christening:  08 JUL 1838   Old Church, Saint Pancras, London
Father:  WILLIAM GARDNER 
Mother:  MARIA 

MARIA GARDNER
Birth:  11 JAN 1840   
Christening:  04 FEB 1840   Old Church, Saint Pancras, London
Father:  WILLIAM GARDNER 
Mother:  MARIA 

MARGARET GARDNER
Birth:  23 DEC 1841   
Christening:  17 JAN 1842   Old Church, Saint Pancras, London
Father:  WILLIAM GARDNER 
Mother:  MARIA 

MARY GARDNER
Birth:  11 MAR 1844   
Christening:  07 APR 1844   Old Church, Saint Pancras, London
Father:  WILLIAM GARDNER   
Mother:  MARIA 

1841 census HO107 681/1 folio 7
York Place St Pancras
William Gardner 30 Plumber
Maria Gardner 25 
Ann Gardner 8 
Henry Gardner 5 
Elizabeth Gardner 3 
Maria Gardner 18 months
all born Middlesex except Maria senior

1871 census RG10 233 folio 73
St Pancras Workhouse
Maria Gardner  64 Widow Inmate Dressmaker  Norwich, Norfolk

Deaths Sep 1881   
Gardner  Maria  64  Pancras  1b 87


William's birth certificate would confirm his mother's maiden name.

Births Dec 1848 
Gardner  William    St Pancras  1 255


Regards

Valda

[jesgardner]

Thank you for this. It is really useful and interesting. It is quite a bit to suddenly take in.
Oddly enough, the Catherine Gowans has proved elusive to track backwards in spite of her having a less common surname.