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Re: streeter morris newman
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 25 December 08 02:39 GMT (UK) »
where did you find this information? I am in contact with John's direct relation and I wonder if she knows this..
thanks.
Kathy

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Re: streeter morris newman
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 25 December 08 02:50 GMT (UK) »
On FreeBMD there is a John Newman RIGELSFORD marriage in 1876.

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CLAPHAM, PARKINSON, Leeds and London
TOMLIENS, Herefordshire and Southwark
CLARKE, Sussex, Cambridge and Shropshire
FAULCONER, MANNINGTON, RICHARDSON, TICEHURST, BROOK, ELPHICK, FURNER All Sussex
UDY, CLEMENCE/CLEMENTS,WHITE, COITE, COBELDICK, Cornwall
BROOKING, Devon, India
FERNANDEZ, London, Somerset, Herefordshire
RUSH, CARTER, GIBSON, REMINGTON, London and Surrey
CHALKLEY, OLNEY, Hertfordshire
HARRIS, Essex
EDWARDS, York

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Re: streeter morris newman
« Reply #11 on: Monday 26 January 09 11:02 GMT (UK) »
References are acknowledged as from the G.R.O. Indexes that used to be up the FRC in London.
Possible acknowledgements, also, are for the ONS from where the info originated ?

Dear Kathy

A colleague in the NNS abstracted this some years ago ( but not related )

MARINE DEATHS 1837-1965
Streeter Morris Newman    Age 35    Ship = Rosegrove      Year 1903   Page 200

Computed Birth year = 1868
No other info supplied - hope the above may be of some help ?

In the 'ordinary' BDM : under the NEWMAN surname -
Look-ups are acknowledged as from the excellent FreeBDM site ( long may they transcribe )

Streeter Morris - Birth 1841-Q3 @ Hailsham SSX
Streeter Morris - Marriage 1865-Q2 @ Hartlepool DUR
Streeter  - Birth 1868-Q4 @ Hartlepool DUR
Streeter Morris - Marriage 1898-Q3 @ Hampstead MDX   

Found using STREETER as the MOTHERS Maiden Name who married a NEWMAN :
Look-ups are acknowledged as from the excellent FreeBDM site ( long may they transcribe )

Frederick        1859-Q2-Birth   Horsham
Esther          1860-Q4-Birth   Horsham
Mabel          1867-Q1-Birth   Horsham
Richard E       1918-Q4-Birth   Mile End
Harold E          1921-Q1-Birth   Mile End
Leslie C          1922-Q4-Birth   Poplar

Mick - a small, worn down, cog in the Newman Name Society (NNS) ( OK, its a plug !! )
Always looking for Newman info to populate our (NNS) data-base !!

"Staying single - like my Father and his Father before him .... "



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Re: streeter morris newman
« Reply #12 on: Monday 26 January 09 14:17 GMT (UK) »

Always looking for Newman info to populate our (NNS) data-base !!


I have some - if your database covers India and has the info I'd be grateful for details of the children's births and their father's death.

Charles Henry NEWMAN, born 1871, Duncton, SSX
 - married Elizabeth FIELD, E. Preston, Q3 1895
 - died c. 1900, India?

Charles NEWMAN, born c. 1899, Mhow, India
Thomas NEWMAN, born c. 1900, Nasirabad, India

The children's mother is back in Sussex, a widow, in 1901.  See RG13/962/137/32.

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Stovepipe
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Re: streeter morris newman
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 27 January 09 00:48 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for all of the info on Streeter. Interesting family, to be sure... At least with somewhat unusual names it is easier to find any information if it's out there.  Marine deaths... does that mean that he died while on board or just died and was still a mariner or whatever his occupation was?
Thanks.
Kathy

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Re: streeter morris newman
« Reply #14 on: Monday 09 February 09 11:04 GMT (UK) »
Kathy, sorry, not sure as to the meaning of Marine Deaths,
as you will see from my reply to 'stovepipe' below.
Apologies if I have Hijacked your thread

Mick


The following are acknowledged as originating from the G.R.O. indexes that were originally
located at St. Katherines House and later at the Family Records Centre in London, now at Kew ?.
I believe that the 'umbrella' department is the O.N.S.
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Hi Stovepipe,

One of our N.N.S.lady members transcribed a lot of the Newman entries in
the G.R.O. 'Miscellaneous' Indexes some years ago.

( Newmans only - ? indicates a bad page image - typed characters filling in !! )

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Army Returns - Register of Births - Land Forces - Serving out of the UK.

Charles Frederick - Nasirabad - (Year) 1898 - (Page) 401?
Thomas Henry - Nasirabad - (Year) 1899 - (Page) 431 ?
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Regimental Births - 1761-1924 - Army Births & Baptisms

Charles F - Nasirabad - (Year) 1898 - (Regiment) 7th - (Volume) 884 ? - (Page) 69 ?
Thomas H - Nasirabad - (Year) 1899 - (Regiment) 7th - (Volume) 884 ? - (Page) 69 ?

==========================================================================

Army Returns - Register of Deaths - Land Forces - Serving out of the UK.

Charles  (Age) 33 - Nasirabad - (Year) 1899 - (Page) 420

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I know that your next question will be 'how do I get the certificates'.

I'm sorry but I don't know - I just have these basic facts,
( sounds like that old B/W police show Dragnet (?) "just the facts maam ..." ).
This will need another query to the RootsChat members for this info.
I shall be looking at the answers myself as I have a Newman 'rellie'
that is in the indexes for 1914 when H.M.S. Pathfinder was lost in WW1.

With regards to the Marriage mentioned ie 1895 Q3 East Preston SSX,
do you have the certificate ?, what is the name / occupation of Charles father ?

I only ask due to the difference in the age of Charles at death,( 33 cby 1866 ? )
assuming that the Charles death in Nasirabad is your Charles ?.

The Charles Henry b 1871-Q4 (Petworth RD) is in the 1881 Census (Petworth RD)
with his parents Charles and Rachel Newman ( nee HEDGER ? ) - Charles a carpenter.

Hope the above will be of some help ?           Mick








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Re: streeter morris newman
« Reply #15 on: Monday 09 February 09 21:33 GMT (UK) »
Many thanks, Mick - that's great information.

Sorry I can't help with certificates - the Newman connection is a fairly remote twig on my tree and my budget doesn't run that far.  All my information comes from the FreeBMD indices and the 1901 census page where Elizabeth Newman is a widow with two children born in India.  I merely guessed the birth registered in Petworth was that of her husband because the age was about the same as Elizabeth's and the middle name Henry matched that of the Charles Newman on her page of the marriage register.  But Charles' age at death does throw some doubt on that.  Can the Petworth born Charles Henry Newman be positively identified alive anywhere in the 1901 census?  There's a 33-year-old with no middle name born Kirdford - the other side of Petworth from Duncton, so not a good match with the 1881 census.

Good luck with your N.N.S.!

Regards,
Stovepipe
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Re: streeter morris newman
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 24 February 09 15:28 GMT (UK) »
Kathy
 I have information on the marriage and familyof Frances Rigglesford and Elias Newman parents of John Newman Rigglesford

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Re: streeter morris newman
« Reply #17 on: Monday 09 March 09 11:01 GMT (UK) »
Hi stovepipe,

The lady who supplied the previous information has sent
another letter to me with the following extra information.
( she is not on the Internet )

Bombay baptisms :

1898 June 21st ( bn 1898 June 8th ) St Pauls - Nasirabad
Charles Frederick NEWMAN
son of Charles Henry and Elizabeth of Nasirabad
Sergt  1st Royal Fusiliers - N/3/79/228

1899 December 23rd ( bn 1899 November 30th ) St Pauls - Nasirabad
Thomas Henry NEWMAN
son of Charles and Elizabeth of Nasirabad
Sergt 1st Royal Fusiliers - N/3/82/307

Bombay burial :

1899 December 5th  ( d December 4th )
Charles NEWMAN age 32
Sergt 1st Royal Fusiliers
Valvular disease of the heart
Nasirabad - N/3/82/411

( So he never got the chance to see his second son ! - sad )

Hope the information is new and of use to you ?

I know you have 'put off' obtaining that wedding certificate,
but have you thought about the Attestation papers for when he
joined the Army ? - just a thought for the future !!

Cheers          Mick Newman