William Gracie Tasmania

[sparrett]

Hi,
A John Hugh GRACIE is buried in Western Australia at Fremantle Anglican Cemetery.  He died 21/2/1927 aged 72 which makes his birh date correct for the son of William.

He seems to have married Christina Durkin in 1912 in WA

http://www.justice.wa.gov.au

A Christina W. Gracie  married 1927 TO Alfed Stott in WA.

http://www.openwindows.com

Someone with electoral roll access may give you thir further details.

Sue

[KAMA]

     We did not have a clue as to where to start looking and you have found so much info so quickly.  We will now try to flesh out the bones a bit.  William Gracie's will was really interesting it mentions his gold medals from the Tasmania Exhibition so we will now try to find out a bit more about this and his business.  Thanks again  Kama

[KAMA]

I am wondering whether he married again after the death of SUSAN, to someone named CHARLOTTE as she does not appear to be a daughter. A much younger bride?

Am puzzled by charlotte, she's not mentioned in the will at all,so would guess she's not a daughter.But surely a second wife would benefit in his will !?

Wonder too if any of Wiliam's brothers went to Tasmania. So far can't trace them in Scotland, only his sister seems to have died here.

Brother's of William Gracie

James  1808
Thomas   1809
John   1812
Hugh   1815

[cando]

There is a Will listed for the William GRACIE who died in 1891.
GRACIE   William     1891     AD960/1/18     495     4176


I am not sure if the reference made by cando is to the same source as the one I am looking at.

You are correct Sue..... I am quoting from Tas Archives website and would imagine it is the original Will...and the Victorian PROV files are Probate files 1892 which include a copy of his Will.  The Letters of Admin file has not been digitised.  Tasmanian wills were probated in Vic. in that period.

Australian Electoral Rolls
1901, 1906
GRACIE Gertrude  Canning Road, East Fremantle  Married
GRACIE John Hugh  Canning Road East Fremantle   Brewer

1930  John Hugh is alone at the above address.  Should read 1925...see later post on the thread.

Cheers
Cando

[sparrett]

Hi KAMA,
I agree with you that the CHARLOTTE is a mystery.

Am puzzled by charlotte, she's not mentioned in the will at all,so would guess she's not a daughter.But surely a second wife would benefit in his will !?

I also would have thought that even if she were neither wife nor daughter but an unmarried sister of William's, she would have been mentioned in his Will.
Cando the electoral information from the West is interesting.
It is hard to believe he is not the right man given his birth date and name, but BREWER?
HE was a GRAZIER of BALINGHUP, Vic. in his father's Will

I can find no further mention of Gertrude in any of the usual places..no marriage, death, burial.

Only Christine who seemed to come later.
ADDING Buried with JOHN HUGH at Fremantle Anglican Cemetery is Ethel Grace CHRISTINA GRACIE.  Same exact location. She was aged 65 on 23/11/1936 of South Perth.



MMmmm.....
Sue

[cando]

Sue I think there is something about brewers ?certs and John Hugh....mentioned in the Will.  I really only read it quickly and that website is sssssoooooo  slow I really haven't time to download the Probate file again.

I had already searched the Vic Indexes...no marriage for a John Hugh there.

I note Wm's Will appeared to be signed Nov 1891...on his death bed? 

Is there a Divorce Index in WA?

In a bit of a rush today...work

Cheers
Cando 

[sparrett]

Hi cando
Is there a Divorce Index in WA?

Not that I have come across

Missed the bit about brewers liscence.  I will have the download in yesterday's history.  I'll look.

A mistranscription of Christina to Gertrude is a pretty big leap isn't it

I note Wm's Will appeared to be signed Nov 1891...on his death bed? 

I thought that. He died December  But you know, since the Wills came online for reading, I am really noticing the proximity of Will -writing date to Death date.  It was very commonly within months.  It looks as if they did it [ or were persuaded to!!] when they appeared terminally ill.
In one of my cases, the signature looks decidedly unnatural and the next door neightbours had been hauled in to witness it. The death was within a couple of weeks of the signing.

I am seeing some very shakey signatures indeed.

Sue 

[sparrett]

Mmm...
Just had another look at our dates.

A John Hugh GRACIE is buried in Western Australia at Fremantle Anglican Cemetery.  He died 21/2/1927 aged 72 which makes his birh date correct for the son of William.  Sue

1930  John Hugh is alone at the above address. cando

Is this merely a failure to remove his name from the roll?
Or something else?
Also if he is buried with a woman whose name includes CHRISTINA Gracie , who is this marrying  and changing name to STOTT?

A Christina W. Gracie  married 1927 TO Alfred Stott in WA. Sue


Sue 

[cando]

Sue..   Double checked my scrawl and it is 1925 not  1930  electoral roll.....so could be the correct John Hugh GRACIE.   

Sorry to lead you astray

Cheers
Cando