Alexander CHRYSTIE - missing daughters

[terra]

Mmmmm Marriage: Alexander Chrystie  Place: Deniliquin  Age: abt 30years  

terra

[Raylen]

Marriage Certificate

31st May 1878 at Register Generals Office, Melbourne

Alexander Chrystie  bachelor        39 years born Jamaica,West Indies
Father-William(dec)  Mother-Catherine Selina Wade
Ellen D’Arcy Tapley widow in 1869      39 years born Totness,Devon,Eng
Children-2 living  4 dead
Both living: Moorabool St, Geelong
Father-William Reginald D’Arcy(dec)  Mother-Margaret Dymond
Witnesses:John Griffin, William Cunningham


No sign of a Tapley death in 1869 for Evelyn to be widowed  and her
son didn't seem to know she had been married before.


Jenn - I agree that it would be very interesting to see the inquest reports
for these Tapley's.  Not only the childrens but John C Tapley, who
we have assumed is Evelyns husband.
Are these only available at PROV?

TAPLEY Helen Darcy
Place Echuca 1870  Reference 268
Cause Accident Drowned

TAPLEY Herbert John E
Place Echuca  1870  Reference 268
Year 1870
Cause Accident Drowned

TAPLEY   John C
1896  Reference 605     No further details on index


Raylen

[cando]

Yes Raylen only available at PROV.  Unable to link guide to ordering inquest records as only home page is available.
http://www.prov.vic.gov.au/

What was Alexander's occupation on his marriage cert please?   

Wonder what John C TAPLEY's occupation was?

Cando

[judb]

I must admit to being addicted to this thread!

Found the marriage on FreeBMD of John Cowell TAPLEY Ellen D'ARCY Jun qr 1856, reg district Newton Abbot so they must have travelled imediately to match the arrival already found.
John Cowell Tapley  20 Carpenter  Newton Abbot, Devon
Ellen (D'arcy)            17

In 1851 John Cowell TAPLEY aged 15 (b abt 1836) is with his parents, John and Rebecca TAPLEY in Tormoham, Devon (between Torbay and Torquay).  The family appear quite well-to-do with the father's occupation given as 'Proprietor of Houses'.  I notice on IGI that there have been TAPLEYs at Tormoham since the mid 1600s .

I could find no trace of an Ellen D'ARCY but there is a D'Arcy family living at Highweek, Devon with a couple of daughters at boarding school and some others at home with parents.  I wonder if 'Ellen ' is not her actual forename, (especially as she was only 17)?? I note on FreeBMD and on IGI there is a birth into the D'Arcy family of Mary Elizabeth in 1839.  (On IGI there is a death date for her of 1929 but it is only a submitted entry).  I wonder if 'Ellen' was a pet name for Elizabeth??  Unfortunately I didn't record the names of all the D'Arcy daughters - using Ancestry at the library and my time ran out.

A query - when FreeBMD puts uses a date of 'June' I realise it's the June quarter but does it start or end in June? I ask becuase of the arrival in Oz of this couple - they must have galloped out of the wedding and onto the ship!

Another aside - on IGI I notice a Kezia Clampit TAPLEY b 1833 Torquay, baptised 1833 in Tormoham (sibling on 1851 census of John Cowell TAPLEY see above) acoording to a submitted IGI entry married an Edward RENDELL in Prahran in 1859, died in Wagin WA 1918.

What a fascinating story!  The more you look, the more there is!
Cheers, Judith

[regross]

Just a thought:

allow for the possibility that if he died near the end of the year the death may not have been registered until the following year.

 another thought:

You could check the divorce lists for Victoria: 1861-1924

http://www.prov.vic.gov.au/publications/documents/05335-P0.asp

Robyn in Wodonga

[cando]

Hi Judith

Looks as though you had a busy afternoon

The June qtr refers to the registrations April May and June.

The marriage of John Cowell TAPLEY and Ellen was detailed quite early in the thread.[reply#25]  Purchase of this cert would identify the parents ie if we are to eliminate assumptions.


Raylen - The occupation of John Cowell TAPLEY as a carpenter may be a crucial factor in indentifying him in the inquest papers or on his death certificate.

Still curious as to Alexander CHRYSTIE's occupation at the time of his marriage.

Robyn -  The death of John TAPLEY is possibly the husband of Carolin BANKS and the gentleman detailed on the electoral roll of 1856 as a Supt. of Dept.  Immigration Dept. [reply#79]  There are only two TAPLEY'S on the indexes for the period we are looking at.  The other death found in 1896 is for a John C TAPLEY.

No divorce on the records at PROV to 1884.

Perhaps Raylen could do a summary to save duplicate searching

Cando

[tropicalj]

By  the  marriage certificate Ellen Tapley  had  2  living  children  but as yet  no sign of  them  and  then  they were not mentioned on her death certificate. Her son  the informant  and  not  her husband who was still alive  Did he not know about  the two  children she had with her previous husband.


I noted with interest  that  she says she was widowed in 1869 a year before  the accidental drowning of her two children. 

Jenn

[Raylen]

I wonder if 'Ellen' was a pet name for Elizabeth?
Cheers, Judith

Judith -
Got to agree with you.  So many twists and turns in this story 
Ellen has also been named as Evelyn and Eveline.

cando -
Alexanders occupation on marriage certificate - commercial traveler
and on his death certificate - retired civil servant.
I'm pretty sure that John C Tapley who died 1869 was Ellen/Evelyns husband.
The fact he died in Bendigo is interesting ( seems to be no
connection to Bendigo with the family so far) and that there was an inquest.
I've been thinking that maybe he was in jail or in the asylum in Bendigo.
If he died in either of these would there need to be an inquest?

By  the  marriage certificate Ellen Tapley  had  2  living  children  but as yet  no sign of  them  and  then  they were not mentioned on her death certificate. Her son  the informant  and  not  her husband who was still alive  Did he not know about  the two  children she had with her previous husband.
Jenn

Jenn - he didn't mention the first marriage on the death certificate either 

The 2 living children could possibly be
Alexander Chrystie b c1872 and Katherine Selina Chrystie b c1876.
The 4 dead children
Ellen and Herbert John Tapley died 1870 and we can't find William Herbert Tapley b c 1865.
I wonder if Ellen and John Tapley had any children in South Australia?
They arrived there in 1856 and the first birth registered in Victoria is 1860.

I'll get on to a summary and post as soon as I can. 
I'm up to my ears in scraps of paper and notes everywhere 

Raylen

[tropicalj]

no recorded births in Sa
but  this death  (  It could have been  mentioned before , if so  ,my apologies)



Surname: TAPLEY John Cowell died 2/2/1859 aged 10months
Relative: John Cowell TAPLEY (F) Residence Lefevre Peninsula
Death PlaceLefevre PeninsulaDistrict Code Ade
Book 5 Page 367



Jenn