Alexander CHRYSTIE - missing daughters

[Billy Anderson]

 Good grief!!  Haven't you all been busy  

I'll need time to read through and digest all this information


I have been able to get a transcription of the burials at Box Hill cemetery


Church of England  Grave 205

CHRYSTIE
Alethea Blanche 1948   Age 72
Alexander Charles 1902    Age 30
Eveline 1901   Age 62
Alexander 1916   Age 77
James Edward 1918   Age 1

Raylen

Hi all.
I have been to the beach with the wife and kids for a few days, you all have been busy.
Raylen,
Now you have the details of the burials as above I will nip over to Boxhill and photograph the gravestone if it is there, at the end of the week if you like,
Billy.

[terra]

1851 Census HO107/1872/163/44
3 Carey Parade  Tormoham  Devonshire
John Tapley  53  Proprietor Houses 
Rebecca   Tapley 57
Rebecca Cowell  Tapley 26      All born Tormoham Devon.
Elizabeth Abbott Tapley  22*
Kezia Clampett Tapley  17*
John Cowell Clampett  15
2 servants
Richard Blaney  3  Physician  b. Cornwall  Truro

*Married in Victoria Aus.
Will pm marriages and chn to Raylen.  Kezia married James Edward Rendell and was living at Rochester in 1903.  Elizabeth married Robert Lawson and don't see them on the electoral rolls...and no births in Vic.

There is a contact on ancestry re the D'Arcy records.  There is a private tree.  However the parents names are William and Elizabeth nee Bradford not Margaret Dymond as detailed on Ellen's marriage to Alexander.  Doubt it is the correct family.

There is a bit more but too late for me to type up.

terra

[tropicalj]

http://pandora.nla.gov.au/pan/10421/20041220-0000/www.firstfamilies2001.net.au/namealphfed9.html?letter=t
there is information for Kezia TAPLEY on  the First families site.

She arrived into Victoria.

Jenn

[regross]

Another thought on John Cowell Tapley,

Is there a possibility that he was convicted of a crime and sent to prison in 1869, the year Ellen claims to have been widowed? He wouldn't have been around and she may have considered herself a widow.

Found one of my rellies there and it explained the 5 year gap between the marraige and the birth of the first of 13 children!!!!

Robyn in Wodonga

[Raylen]

Now you have the details of the burials as above I will nip over to Boxhill and photograph the gravestone if it is there, at the end of the week if you like,
Billy.

Thanks for that offer Billy.  Very kind of you

Raylen

[Raylen]

terra,
Thanks for the census details.
I also saw that tree but didn't think it seemed correct.


Robyn,

I had already thought that he may have been in jail or an asylum.
I will have to see if some kind person would do a look up on the inquests
for me at PROV.  Hopefully they might tell us more.

Raylen

[Raylen]

Here is a really basic summary of what has been found.
Please excuse any errors or omissions due to me being in a rush to get it done 


Alexander Chrystie b c1839 either London or Jamaica d 1916 Melbourne
Possible arrival for him in Vict "Anglesey" Apr 1863
Father-William  Mother-Catherine Selina Wade
Alexanders occupation on marriage certificate - commercial traveler
and on his death certificate - retired civil servant.
Married Ellen/Evelyn/Eveline Tapley (nee Darcy) May 1878 Melbourne
Children
Alexander Charles  c1872-1902  Melb, married Alice Maud Louisa Hynam (got childrens details)
Katherine Selina c1876-1924 Heathcote, married Henry Douglas Hall (got childrens details and war service records)
George Wade c1879-?  Went to USA after marriage - Reply   #68     married  Annie Larkin   Children - Reply#63 
Mary Alice c1881-1955 Nth Sydney married Robert Jarratt Crosthwaite  (got details),
Walter William c1879-1884 - 1956 Melb ,married Ellen Maude Hilsden Children - Reply #20

No birth registrations for any of these children.

Ellen/Evelyn/Eveline D’Arcy b c1839 Totnes,Devon,England died 1901 Melbourne
Father-William Reginald   Mother-Margaret Dymond
Married John Cowell Tapley JuneQ 1856 Newtown Abbot,Devon

John Cowell Tapley 20 carpenter Newtown Abbot,Devon
Ellen(Darcy)             17
Arrived Port Adelaide 26/8/1856 Aliquis

John Cowell Tapley  died 1896 Bendigo 63 years

Children - John Cowell  ? -1859 aged 10months S.Aust,
Ellen Darcy 1860 Melb-1870 Echuca,
Herbert John 1863 Melb-1870 Echuca,
William Herbert 1865 Melb-?

No births registered for Ellen 1865 - 1872

TAPLEY John                Father John Taylor  Mother Harriet WOOLCOCK
59 years  Born Kent   1879  Reg#1228
TAPLEY John m  BANKS Caroline  1852   Reg#3740
1856 electoral roll  John Tapley  Collins Street East  Supt of Dept   Salary  Immigration Dept.  £600
 - At this stage I don’t think this John Tapley is part of this family

Chrystie marriages in Western Aust  - Reply#35

Alexander and Ellen Death certificates -  Reply #80
Alexander and Ellen Marriage certificate - Reply#81

From marriage certificate
Ellen D’Arcy Tapley  widow in 1869    - no divorce in Victoria

Inquests
TAPLEY Helen Darcy
Place Echuca 1870  Reference 268
Cause Accident Drowned
TAPLEY Herbert John E
Place Echuca  1870  Reference 268
Year 1870
Cause Accident Drowned
TAPLEY   John C
1896  Reference 605     No further details on index
…….Need to check Inquests

I know this isn't great but it might make things easier if anyone wants
to check back on what's been found.

Thanks again for all your help

Raylen

[regross]

I was wondering if the Echuca family History or Historical group might be able to help.

The drowning of two children would have made all the papers of that time.

(It is also possible that Tapley may have been working on the riverboats. He may have set sail  as a seaman, or even headed outback.)

I think that you may have to purchase the John C Tapley death certificate to be sure of what is going on.

Robyn in Wodonga

[cando]

I won't go down the path of the TAPLEY family in Aus as that seems to have been covered...but I did see some births to Elizabeth and Robert LAWSON and if they have been pm'd to Raylen, will leave that line.

Back to Ellen Darcy TAPLEY.

The only birth on the indexes of all the Ellen's registered between Sept 1837 and Dec 1840 in Totnes, Devon, with a name anything like DARCY. Now if one was illiterate and allowing for accents and of course mistranscriptions.  I have done quite a bit of transcribing for UK BMD Lancashire and at times the clerk's writing is appalling.

Birth Dec qtr 1838
DECEY Ellen Margaret   Totnes  9/487

1841 Census
Totnes Devon   HO107/213/4
SWIFT John  50 years  Licensed Hawker  Not born county
SWIFT Fanny 40 years                              Not born county
DACY  Mary     9 years      Born county
DACY Fanny    7 years      Born county
DACY Ellen      2 years      Born county
DYMOND Mary  60 years   Female servant   Born county

?Maternal grandmother caring/raising the children.


Robyn I found the RENDELL's living at Rochester which is on the Campaspe River. Perhaps Ellen was visiting...the accident may not have happened at Echuca just registered at Echuca...could be anyway in the district.  Just my two bob's worth but based on the Inquest data.

John's death certificate may show the reason the Inquest was held.  I have a couple of certs and it was stated....death due to ....result of inquest held...and the signature, in these two cases, was the local policeman.  Perhaps Raylen  may consider purchasing John's cert.

Also Jenn mentioned the four children dead and two living on the 1878 marriage cert.  The two living would be Alexander and Kathleen/Catherine and the four dead John Cowell, Ellen Darcy, Herbert John  and ? William Herbert.

Cheers
Cando