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ANDREWS of Pitney & Martock
« on: Wednesday 09 February 05 21:12 GMT (UK) »
I am researching our family who originated from Pitney & Martock before spreading out over the UK.
In particular one Thomas Richards Andrews July 15, 1844 in Pitney. He adopted the name Richards after his mother, Mary Richards. I do know he was a widower when he married his second wife whilst in the Barry area 1891.
However who his first wife was i have no idea as he seemed to have moved about a bit and I cannot find him on the 1881 census.

All Andrews info will be appreciated.
ANDREWS from Pitney, Martock, and surrounding area of Somerset.
ANDREWS from Hartlepool, Co Durham and surrounding districts.
Family Tree is on web site:  http://daveandrews.tribalpages.com/

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Re: ANDREWS of Pitney & Martock
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 09 February 05 21:55 GMT (UK) »
Hi

Could we have a bit more info to help please?

Do you have Thomas on the 1891 census?  If so could you please post details.  If not, could you please post details of marriage ie. date, place address, father's name & occupation, wife's details - in fact anything at all that may help locate him.

Also 1901 details

Best wishes

Casalguidi
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Re: ANDREWS of Pitney & Martock
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 10 February 05 13:56 GMT (UK) »
Thomas Andrews was born in Pitney on July 15, 1844 his mother being Mary Richards and Samuel andrews both of Pitney. he was one on 10 children.
On the 1891 census he is shown as living in Barry.
the following are the notes I have on the family tree:

Lodged at 11 Harvey Street, Cadoxton, Barry.
Married before but unable to trace any details of first wife.

Taken from Barry Dock News 27th November 1891

Andrews -- Adamson

On 22nd instant at the Parish Church Cadoxton Barry, by the Rev.  A E Couch curate, Mr Thomas Richard Andrews, foreman labourer, Forster Street, to Miss Mary Throwell Adamson, of Harvey Street, both of Cadoxton, Barry. 
Marrage cert shows him to be a widower employed as a labourer of Forster St Cadoxton Barry.       
   ~~~~~~~~----

      WHO WAS FIRST WIFE ????? Have no trace of her whatsoever

   ~~~~~~~~------

1901 census shows Thomas Andrews, a labourer Navvy above ground,  married to Mary Threwell living at 5 Tynycae place,
llantrisant, Ystradyfodwg along with Samuel, son, and Job his brother.
however the birthdate  shown here of 1844 does not match the age given on the census of 63 which would make his birth as 1838 some six years earlier.

LDS IGI file:
 Birth:  About 1839  Pitney, , Somerset, England
 
 Baptism Reg. 2nd Qtr  No x 427 1842  Langport

This is a mystery man. He seems to have later taken his mothers maiden name of Richards and used it.
It appears in this form on his 2nd marriage certificate to Mary Throwell.

no trace of him is in the 1881 census.

The 1891 census shown his origin at 'ponty' short for Pontypridd. This is near enough next to Llantrisant where he was living in 1901. At first I thought pitney & Ponty could be the same but now realise that the head of the household only know of him from 'ponty' and so that became his origin.

Not knowing anything prior to 1891 I have no idea where to look for his first wife.
The marriage certificate shows him as a widower and the name is definately RICHARDS as his second name. This was pointed out to me by the registrar who double checked it herself before issuing tyhe certificate.
ANDREWS from Pitney, Martock, and surrounding area of Somerset.
ANDREWS from Hartlepool, Co Durham and surrounding districts.
Family Tree is on web site:  http://daveandrews.tribalpages.com/

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Re: ANDREWS of Pitney & Martock
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 12 February 05 00:29 GMT (UK) »
Decided to begin with the 1851 census for these families in Pitney....These r the Andrews an the parish....This indicates Thomas born 1840/1 not 1844  ??? Would appear Samuel and John r probably brothers   ;)

PITNEY 1851 CENSUS. Somerset
H.O. 107/1926


Folio 250 Page 11
ANDREWS

Samuel 45 Labourer Martock, Som.
Mary 46 Pitney. Som.
George 24 Labourer Pitney. Som. Married
James ? 16 Assume Pitney
Mary 12 Pitney. Som.
Thomas 9 Pitney. Som.
John 7 Pitney. Som.
Page 12 / 251
Marth 4 Pitney. Som.
Jane Daughter in Law Married 29 Burnham

Folio 246 Page 1
HORWOOD George Widow/er 82 Gentleman Martock, Som.
PORTER William masters Son in Law Widow/er 37 Farmer 200 Acres Sherborne, Dorset.
WALRONF Mary Ann Servant 25 London
ANDREWS Elizabeth Servant 18 Servant Pitney. Som.
KIDDLE Mary Servant Married 48 Occasional Nurse Pitney. Som.

Folio 246 Page 2
ANDREWS

John 49 Farmer 19 Acres Martock, Som.
Hannah 47 Pitney. Som.
Page 3
James 11 Pitney. Som.
Thomas 9 Pitney. Som.
Mary 5 Pitney. Som

Cheers Kris  :D
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Re: ANDREWS of Pitney & Martock
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 12 February 05 00:34 GMT (UK) »
And here r the Richards in Pitney in 1851

PITNEY 1851 CENSUS. Somerset
H.O. 107/1926

Folio 247 Page 4
LAVIS Ann Widow/er 52 Work on Farm Pitney. Som.
Susan 21 Glover Pitney. Som.
Grace 16 Glover Pitney. Som.
RICHARDS SARAH Niece 40 Pitney. Som.

Folio 250 Page 10
RICHARDS

John 26 Labourer Pitney. Som.
Ann 24 Glover High Ham, Som.
William 3 Pitney. Som.
Mary Ann 8m Pitney. Som.
SMITHERAM George Lodger Widow/er 61 Labourer Martock, Som.

Folio 255 Page 20
RICHARDS
Mary Widow/er 67 Annuitant Storgusey, Som.

Kris  :D
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Re: ANDREWS of Pitney & Martock
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 12 February 05 01:48 GMT (UK) »
MMM Sorry to say I dont seem to be getting anywhere with this im afraid...I took a look at the 91 entry and if that is your man listed as born Pontypridd one thing I did notice with the entry is that where language spoken is listed his answer is Both which I would assume with being listed as born Pontypridd and speaking both languages he had probably been in Wales for some time but I just cant find it....Going to be tricky with changing names and place of birth......There is one who is 28 born Mere Somerset with a wife and dau b Westbury Somerset in the 71 ....surely he wouldnt have given another place of Birth...Sorry gave it my best shot....Kris  :'(
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Re: ANDREWS of Pitney & Martock
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 12 February 05 11:44 GMT (UK) »
Hi Kris

I really appreciate the research you have done. It confirms some of the entries I have.

It is possible he learnt Welsh if he was over in Wales for some time as that would have been the prime language for English was only coming to the fore with the influx of 'immigrants' from England late 1800's.

This Thomas is a pain as he just seemed to vanish. I went to the local records office and went through overseas marriages with no luck. I also went through the ordinary marriages without further joy. I shall retrun and go through them again as it is such a toil I may have skimmed past it.
However there does seem some dispute over his actual date of birth so it could be in that gap.

May I ask another favour if you have the 1891 census for Mountain Ash, Wales or where it is available online. I have looked but as a newcomer I am still finding my way.

The reason for asking is that I traced two ANDREWS from Pitney to Mountqain Ash. George Andrews is shown as the brother in law living at 50 Gwyn Glyn St Mountain Ash. This means that his sister Mary was the wife of the head of house, John Bevin or could be Burn. It was difficult to read off ther microfilche and the librarian could not make it out either.
Will appreciate your advice.

Many thanks

Dave Andrews
ANDREWS from Pitney, Martock, and surrounding area of Somerset.
ANDREWS from Hartlepool, Co Durham and surrounding districts.
Family Tree is on web site:  http://daveandrews.tribalpages.com/

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Re: ANDREWS of Pitney & Martock
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 12 February 05 12:28 GMT (UK) »
OK Dave ...Good Luck with your elusive Thomas...I tried everything I could think of to find him.....Just seeing what I can c on Andrews from Pitney in Wales.....cant c any listing as Mountain Ash so will just Give u any born Pitney....Im an Ozzie dont know one area of Wales from another...lol

RG12/4446 ED 31 Folio 81 Page 25
56 Lewis Street
Aberdare St Margarets
Glamorgan


ANDREWS George Head (46)4 Mar b Pitney Somerset Green Grocer
ANDREWS Jane Wife 10 Mar b Burnham Somerset
ANDREWS Arthur Son 22 Unm b Aberdare Glamorgan Grocers Assistant

Cant explain that one says wife married is crossed out and S written and I would have to agree with age 10...will check 1871 for this family  ??? b4 I go on .......If hes 64 I guess she could b 70 mayb and the line just happens to be through the top of the number.....obviously she is not 10 but it really does look like 10...LOL,,..The more I blow it up I think hes 64 ...Off to look at 71 for this family....Kris  ;D

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Re: ANDREWS of Pitney & Martock
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 12 February 05 12:39 GMT (UK) »
OK Found em in 71....So He is 64 she is 70 in the 71...ages quite clear in this one...I realise this chap is not in Mountain Ash but he is from Pitney  ;D

RG10/5409 ED 31 Folio 124 Page 36
27 Davies Street
Aberdare Glamorgan


ANDREWS George Head 47 Mar b Pitney Somerset Haulier
ANDREWS Jane Wife 52 Mar b Burnham Somerset School Mistress
ANDREWS Arthur Mills Son 2 b Aberaman Glamorgan

Cheers Kris  :D
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