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Re: "Pardoner on farm"
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 10 February 09 13:27 GMT (UK) »
Hi agree that it looks like a 'P', but doubt very much that he would have been a Pardoner as explained in previous posts. If he owned land with someone else he may have misspelt Partner. But how likely is that? The other concern is that he states 'on a farm', which is sometimes recorded as 'ag labourer', or 'ag lab' for short. A larderer was someone who controlled the contents of the larder in a big house or abbey. And if there was no mine shafts on the land we can rule out occupation in the field of mining.

It only leaves 'Gardener', although i'm not entirely convinced as the term seems fairly modern
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Re: "Pardoner on farm"
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 29 November 11 08:01 GMT (UK) »
maybe its a burdener  one who carries.....  talking about 1911  ,   anyone interested Genes Reunited has search engine that gives dates,   igi has 1911 without dates.....

if you think burdener gardener pardoner is bad what about the place names they are a shocker on igi.....   go to new click on area.....


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Re: "Pardoner on farm"
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 29 November 11 08:50 GMT (UK) »

It only leaves 'Gardener', although i'm not entirely convinced as the term seems fairly modern
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According to the OED at least from the 14th Century  :)
1340    R. Rolle Pricke of Conscience 661   An ille tre may na gude fruyt bere, And žat knawes ilk gude gardynere.

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Re: "Pardoner on farm"
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 29 November 11 10:37 GMT (UK) »
The role of Pardoner is no longer in use once the Reformation comes in in Henry 8's reign. It was one of many reasons why protestantism swept across Europe at the time. It was a nice money making racket in medieval times. Not intended to be so, but the law of unintended consequences....... Essentially a paronder could sell 'pardons' for sins. The sinner had to cough up but felt that this meant he or she had 'paid' for the sin and was 'let off'. You could even 'preepurchase' pardons before you sinned......

Of course once you had shuffled off this mortal coil then you couldn't go back and claim your money back if you found the pardon wasn't valid.  :o

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Re: "Pardoner on farm"
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 29 November 11 20:07 GMT (UK) »
This is a long shot but the word paard in Flemish (which is often close to Old English) means horse. A paardenarts is a horse vet. I wonder if "pardoner" could be a dialect corruption and he worked with the farm horses. Just a thought.
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Re: "Pardoner on farm"
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 29 November 11 20:24 GMT (UK) »
Hi All

As this is 1911  I'm afraid I would go for bad spelling (As in Howdy Pardner)! I think this is meant to say "partner".  Partner on a farm  ;D

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Re: "Pardoner on farm"(completed)
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 29 November 11 20:57 GMT (UK) »
I think Victoria and california dreamin may be getting close. He did work with horses. The only photo I have of him is with a beautiful work horse which has been groomed and set up for a local show I think. I've tried all sorts of combinations (saying it with a Hereforshire accent). Thank you to everyone who has scratched their heads over this one.  :)
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