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John/William Copson b c.1845 in Worcester
« on: Friday 16 January 09 10:52 GMT (UK) »
Hello,

I'm stuck!  I hope you may be able to help me.

I'm trying to trace the birth and parents of John William Copson b. c1845.
In the census he gives his place of birth as Worcester, Worcestershire.
I have conflicting data re dob.  1891 census - age 45 = dob 1846 /  1901 census - aged 56 = dob 1845, 1911 census - age 67 = dob 1844.

Widower in 1911.

He married Julia Pritchard (b. c1849 d. 1877 ) in 1864.  They had 3 children, Mary, Annie and Walter.
He re-married in 1879 to Rosa Hanna / Rosanna (She too has "issues" with her name!!) Gregory.  She had also been married before to Richard Gregory b. c1850 d.1876 They had a daughter Sarah Ann b.1875.  I think her maiden name was Colley, but I haven't been able to confirm this yet.

He is confusing as he switches from John to William depending on the documents!!
Recorded as William in 1901 census.
Recorded as William for his marriage to Julia.
In 1881 Sarah Ann is recorded as living with John/William and Rose Hanna/Rosanna as a step daughter, aged 6.

Both his wives and all his children were born in Wellington, Salop, Shropshire.  He is found there in the census returns with  his family.  I'm not sure when he came to Wellington from Worcester.

I have found a 1851 census return with a William aged 6, in Worcester, district of Claines, which would fit, but I cannot find a birth record to correspond.  Nor can I find him between 1851 and 1891.

Perhaps a fresh pair of eyes will be able to find him!

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Re: John/William Copson b c.1845 in Worcester
« Reply #1 on: Friday 16 January 09 11:01 GMT (UK) »
There is a christening on IGI -extracted
William John Copson
30 Mar 1845 Claines Worcester
parents
William Copson/Harriet

Maybe he was not registered, as registration was not compulsory at tat time

Do you have his marriage cert?
That would give father's name and occupation?


Suz
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Re: John/William Copson b c.1845 in Worcester
« Reply #2 on: Friday 16 January 09 11:10 GMT (UK) »
this is possibly him - looks like father has a new wife ??

1861
Ketley Wellington Shropshire
William Copson Head M 33 lab Worcester
Martha wife 22 Wellington Salop
William son 15 Worcester
Walter son 1month Wellington Salop
RG9 1899 14 22

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Thornhill, Cresswell, Sisson, Harriman, Cripps, Eyre, Walter, Marson, Battison, Holmes, Bailey, Hardman, Fairhurst Noon-mainly in Derbys/Notts-but also Northampton, Oxford, Leics, Lancs-England
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Re: John/William Copson b c.1845 in Worcester
« Reply #3 on: Friday 16 January 09 11:17 GMT (UK) »
and 1871
Ketley Salop
John William Copson Head M 5 Puddler Worcester
Julia wife 27 Ketley
M. A. daughter 5 Ketley
A. daughter 3 Ketley
Walter William son 1 mth Ketley
RG10 2808 48 34

so he called his son after his half brother?

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Re: John/William Copson b c.1845 in Worcester
« Reply #4 on: Friday 16 January 09 11:32 GMT (UK) »
It seems he had a sister too

IGI shows -baptied at same time as William John

Mary Ann Copson
30 mar 1845 Claines Worcester
parents William/Harriet

this doesn't necessarily mean Wm John and mary Ann were twins - just baptised together

There is a marriage freeBMD
Sept qtr 1841
Droitwich
on same page
Harriet Jones
William Copson
18 268

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Re: John/William Copson b c.1845 in Worcester
« Reply #5 on: Friday 16 January 09 11:59 GMT (UK) »
Is this the census you found?

I think this is him

1851
20 Moorfield St Worcester
William Copson head M 26 Glover
Harriet wife 33 Gloveress
Mary A daughter 9
William son 6
henry son 2
all b Claines
HO107 2042 338 15

this looks like brother Henry in 1861
High St Shifnall Shropshire
Hery Milward head M 29 Hair dresser hereford
Eliza wif e 40 Wenlock Salop
Edmund son 10 mth Shifnall
Rowland Morriss son in law 17 Shifnall
Ann Evans wifes sister M 50 Wenlock
HENRY COPSON aprentice 12 Hairdressers apprentice Worcester
barbara Caught servant 30 Ireland mayo
RG9 1854 58 24

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Re: John/William Copson b c.1845 in Worcester
« Reply #6 on: Friday 16 January 09 12:54 GMT (UK) »
Thank you so much for all that!

Yes, that's the 1851 census I have.

I have now found a death which fits with Harriet : d. 1852 in Worcester.
And a marriage for William Copson and Martha Williams, 1860 in Shiffnal (free BDM, same page) which also fits.

Onwards and upwards.....  ;D

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Re: John/William Copson b c.1845 in Worcester
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 18 August 13 22:27 BST (UK) »
I am related to Julia Copson Nee Pritchard, she was a First Cousin to my paternal Grand father's maternal Grand mother an Annie Edwards Nee Pritchard and as the original poster says, John or William depending on the document flits around with his name. On Annie's wedding certificate in 1863 he's down as William Copson as he and Julia were witnesses in Wellington. I am having issues with the daughter Mary Anne who I can not find in the 1881 census I know she married in 1888, and ended up in the Warrington area any help would be appreciated if the Original poster wants Julia's history please message me privately Andrew....

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Re: John/William Copson b c.1845 in Worcester
« Reply #8 on: Monday 19 August 13 11:08 BST (UK) »
Hi Andrew,

Sadly we have been unable pass on your reply to Tristesse, this users email address is no longer working and I have been unable to find anything online for her apart from she is in Australia :-\

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Sarah
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