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1901 census and adopted children?
« on: Thursday 22 January 09 16:22 GMT (UK) »
Just started out on the quest to track down my grandparents using the census' online and hit a brickwall.

I found my grandfather and his twin sister on the 1891, census aged 1 but they do not appear on the 1901 census. neither does their parents. My dad thinks his Father spent some time in an orphanage so my question is:

Would the Orphanages/children homes complete the census surveys back then? If not does anyone have any ideas how I could track them down?

I think I found my GrandFather on the 1911 census but he is living with a family and his relationship to the Head is Nephew. His surname is Brunger and the household head is Martin, so I'm wondering if this is the way an adopted child would call them????

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Re: 1901 census and adopted children?
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 22 January 09 16:58 GMT (UK) »
Hello m1ldmay4

Welcome to RootsChat.

Formal adoption did not begin until 1927, so one would expect a child to  retain their birth name, although there are always exceptions to the rule.

If you give the names of the twins, their parents and their birth places, someone else may be able to find them in 1901, it is possible they have been miss-transcribed.

People in institutions were sometimes only indicated by their initials in the census, so they are not always easy to find

Does the name MARTIN occur in your tree? Was it you greatgrandmother's maiden name, or did one of your great grandparents sibling marry a MARTIN? All possibilities to consider.

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CHOULES All ,  COKER Harwich Essex & Rochester Kent 
COLE Gt. Oakley, & Lt. Oakley, Essex.
DUNCAN Kent
EVERITT Colchester,  Dovercourt & Harwich Essex
GULLIVER/GULLOFER Fifehead Magdalen Dorset
HORSCROFT Kent.
KING Sturminster Newton, Dorset. MONK Odiham Ham.
SCOTT Wrabness, Essex
WILKINS Stour Provost, Dorset.
WICKHAM All in North Essex.
WICKHAM Medway Towns, Kent from 1880
WICKHAM, Ipswich, Suffolk.

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Re: 1901 census and adopted children?
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 22 January 09 17:09 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for the quick reply.

My Grandfather's name was Alfred Edward Brunger b.1890 in Herne Hill in the district of Lambeth,London. His twin sister was called Maud Ellen. Their parents were called Alfred and Charlotte (Initial C on the 1891 census). I think her maiden name was Reynolds.

I don't find a Martin on my tree yet so it could be possible. I'm just trying to find other ways of tracking down where my Grandfather was between 1891 and 1911. If his twin sister married prior to the 1911 census then I guess I'll need to try other resources.

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Re: 1901 census and adopted children?
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 22 January 09 17:55 GMT (UK) »
Hi

Where does your grandfather state he was born on the 1911 census - just to give a bit more of a clue for looking in 1891.

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Re: 1901 census and adopted children?
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 22 January 09 17:59 GMT (UK) »
On the 1911 census it states he was born in Brixton,London. So close enough to Herne Hill  ;) Actually the Birth register for that year states the District of Lambeth.

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Re: 1901 census and adopted children?
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 22 January 09 18:02 GMT (UK) »
The twins are certainly not showing up in 1901.

Two questions, o you have the marriage and death certificates for the parents, also where did you get Charlotte's maiden name.

There are two likely looking deaths in Lambeth
1893 BRUNGER Charlotte age 36, June qtr. 1d, 232
1895 BRUNGER Alfred age 33, Sept qtr, 1d, 260.

The only marriage I can see on Free BMD for an Alfred to a Charlotte
1888 BRUNGER Alfred Ernest Lambeth, June qtr. 1d, 741
BUTLER Charlotte Ann

With a husband wanting his dinner, I shall have to  abandon the search for now.

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CHOULES All ,  COKER Harwich Essex & Rochester Kent 
COLE Gt. Oakley, & Lt. Oakley, Essex.
DUNCAN Kent
EVERITT Colchester,  Dovercourt & Harwich Essex
GULLIVER/GULLOFER Fifehead Magdalen Dorset
HORSCROFT Kent.
KING Sturminster Newton, Dorset. MONK Odiham Ham.
SCOTT Wrabness, Essex
WILKINS Stour Provost, Dorset.
WICKHAM All in North Essex.
WICKHAM Medway Towns, Kent from 1880
WICKHAM, Ipswich, Suffolk.

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Re: 1901 census and adopted children?
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 22 January 09 18:14 GMT (UK) »
In the 1901 census Alfred Bunger age 11 born Brixton is living with Edward and Ellen Martin . He is again down as nephew . Living Park Place West Mews St Pancras

No sign of any other child


Bucks- Young,Neale,Wright,Ludgate,Todd,Turney,Crouch,Roberts,Hoare
Oxon Whichello,Roberts,Slatter,Kimber
Kent-Fox,Medhurst,Pearson,Wimble,French,Tilby,Bassage
Herts-Pellant,Martin,Figg,Turney
London, Scotland, Ireland - McWatt
Suffolk-Fox,Sage,Scarfe,Palmer
Berks - Kimber,Dorman

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Re: 1901 census and adopted children?
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 22 January 09 18:27 GMT (UK) »
Also Edward Martin Married Ellen Brunger Dec q 1876 Islington . So it looks like he was their nephew

Barbara
Bucks- Young,Neale,Wright,Ludgate,Todd,Turney,Crouch,Roberts,Hoare
Oxon Whichello,Roberts,Slatter,Kimber
Kent-Fox,Medhurst,Pearson,Wimble,French,Tilby,Bassage
Herts-Pellant,Martin,Figg,Turney
London, Scotland, Ireland - McWatt
Suffolk-Fox,Sage,Scarfe,Palmer
Berks - Kimber,Dorman

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Re: 1901 census and adopted children?
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 22 January 09 18:41 GMT (UK) »
Except now I look back to previous censuses Ellen seems to be the daughter of George Brunger  and his wife Sarah who were living in Canterbury in 1871

Do these names ring any bells?

Barbara
Bucks- Young,Neale,Wright,Ludgate,Todd,Turney,Crouch,Roberts,Hoare
Oxon Whichello,Roberts,Slatter,Kimber
Kent-Fox,Medhurst,Pearson,Wimble,French,Tilby,Bassage
Herts-Pellant,Martin,Figg,Turney
London, Scotland, Ireland - McWatt
Suffolk-Fox,Sage,Scarfe,Palmer
Berks - Kimber,Dorman