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Birth/Baptism -George PAIN/PAYNE - Turvey
« on: Saturday 24 January 09 13:56 GMT (UK) »
Hi,
Looking for a birth or baptism of George Pain or Payne. He would have been born about 1760-1765.
He married in 1786 in Swavesey, Cambs but was not born in Cambs.
I have found a removal order stating George and his wife were removed to Turvey although they eventually settled in Willingham.
George was my 5x gt grandfather and I have been searching for his baptism for a long time so hope Bedfordshire may hold the key!

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Re: George Pain - Turvey
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 24 January 09 14:51 GMT (UK) »
Turvey baptisms are on the IGI. There's only one Payne family at this time, George and Elizabeth who were baptising children 1746-61. But the only George was the eldest in 1746, and I can't see an obvious marriage or burial for him. How sure are you about 1760-65?

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Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey/Rook
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey/Rook
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:   Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs: Bourn: Bowd
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            Graveley: Ford/Revell

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Re: George Pain - Turvey
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 24 January 09 15:25 GMT (UK) »
Hi David,
I'm not entirely sure about when George was born but his age at his burial in 1833 is 73 which gives a birth date of 1760.

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Re: George Pain - Turvey
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 24 January 09 17:18 GMT (UK) »
Whilst burial ages are notoriously unreliable I haven't seen one as much as 14 years adrift!

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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey/Rook
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey/Rook
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:   Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs: Bourn: Bowd
            Eltisley: Medlock
            Graveley: Ford/Revell


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Re: George Pain - Turvey
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 25 January 09 09:42 GMT (UK) »
No, I haven't either!
Oh well, its back to the drawing board with George!

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Re: Birth/Baptism -George PAIN/PAYNE - Turvey
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 08 February 09 19:09 GMT (UK) »
Hi Tempsford

Been ruminating on this one for a few days!

I don't suppose there's a Settlement Examination along with the Removal Order in Swavesey, which would explain why he was removed to Turvey? Turvey would have been been his last parish of legal settlement, which could have been his birthplace, or it may have been that he had worked there for a year and had acquired settlement that way, and was born elsewhere.

I've been looking again at George Pains in Turvey - there was George baptised 1746, son of George, so that's two Georges. There are burials in Turvey of George Pains in 1784 and 1803, which may have been father and son. But there were also two more Georges living in, and born in, Turvey in the early censuses, one born c1792 a tailor, and another born c1785 a grocer (and he had a son George born c1828 whose baptism is on the IGI). But neither of the Georges in the censuses appears to have been baptised, and checking on the BLARS site, George the grocer seems to have been involved, probably as a trustee, in the leasing of land on which Turvey Congregational church was to be built in 1829. So I wonder if they came from non conformist stock in the village, and with so many Georges it's quite likely that your George was given the family name. But who was his father??? This appears to have been the only Pain family in Turvey, and all the sons seem to have lived and died in the village, so the only possibilty timewise is if George b 1746 married young and immediately had a son George say 1765, and your George's death was overstated by 5 years, which wouldn't have been too unusual. But of course this is highly speculative! Did either of the older Georges leave a will?

Is there any evidence of your George being non-conformist in Cambs?

I have non-conformists in Southill, and it's all but impossible to trace them with no baptisms. You know they were in the village at the start of the non conformist era, and they were still there in the late 1700s from censuses, but what happened in between is a mystery!

David

Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey/Rook
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey/Rook
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:   Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs: Bourn: Bowd
            Eltisley: Medlock
            Graveley: Ford/Revell

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Re: Birth/Baptism -George PAIN/PAYNE - Turvey
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 08 February 09 20:58 GMT (UK) »
Hi David,
Thanks for your thoughts about George. I have been puzzling over it as well and getting nowhere!
I found the entry regarding the removal order on a cd about the Cambridgeshire Poor but couldn't find a reference to it in the CRO.
The entry on the cd reads 12 June 1787 Justices removal order of 18 Nov last for George Pain, his wife Elizabeth and daughter Elizabeth from Swavesey to Turvey, then in brackets it says entry unfinished.
George and Elizabeth married in Swavesey in 1786, Elizabeth was bap in 1787 in Willingham, then the next two children were baptised in 1789 Mary on 8 Mar and John on 19 Nov in Willingham where George and Elizabeth settled having a further 9 children and dying of cholera in 1833.
They do not appear to be Non Conformists
I can't find a baptism for George in Cambs.

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