Romany/Gypsy Camp in Birkenhead

[J.J.]

Her g/mothers name was Isabel Kay, i have not got her date of birth but am told she was
born in 1913. She married a Frederick Taylor (my grandfather) who was born around 1910.
He was from Birkenhead. Cheers Ken

  Sorry that your query was taken over although I know they thought it was a general topic thread...
  Did you find the correct marriage and occupation of fathers???
  Although old and you may already have this marriage & info I'll post :
   FHS has: a Frederick Taylor  Age 30y father: Edward   Spouse  an Isabel Kay Age 30y Father: Henry
      Marr  29 Apr 1933  St Paul, Tranmere, Cheshire, Eng
Although ages don't fit, there are these two which do appear to be the above couple...But
ordering that marriage should let you know if this matches up.
   The 1911 census Reddish, Cheshire, Eng Enum  District 10  Reg  Dist Stockport
       John Henry Kay  c.1876  Reddish, Lancs  Brusher in Silk Finishing
       wife: Lena Elizabeth Kay  c. 1874 Longsight, Lancashire
       son: Henry Kay 1907 Reddish     dau: "Isobel Kay" 1909  Reddish
Also in household her father   
       Valentine Charles Hubbert  c. 1844  Manchester, Lancashire
         F.I.L. to Head: Widowed  Occ: Roller Skin WAREHOUSEMAN
    Henry may have used his first name John to not confuse name repetition for son Henry.

    John Henry Kay & Lena Elizabeth Hibbert Sept. quarter 1905 Stockport
    Likely the children's births registered Stockport - 1908 Isabel Kay & a Henry 1906

Looking for the marriage brought up a wee family tree for them...If not your wife's contribution, she may have a bit more family to collaborate with?
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/pedigree/landscape/L1HS-5YF

Might be marriage on FreeBMD Henry KAY & Amelia DAVIES Jun quarter 1874  Manchester district          

Heayberd Hibberd Hubbert  Talor Tayler Tailer Taylar 

[J.J.]

James Edward Taylor Chr: 15 September 1909  Rock Ferry, Cheshire, Eng
Parents Edward Taylor, Jessie Taylor

Edward Taylor Chr: 01 May 1903  Bebington Road Wes Meth Chapel, New Ferry, Cheshire, Eng
Father Edward Taylor   Mother Jessie Taylor


1911 census Birkenhead, Tranmere Birkenhead, Cheshire, Eng  Enum Dist 25
        Doc Type 3   Page 1    Piece/Folio 469   Schedule Type 235
Edward Williams 56 Osnestry, Shropshire general labourer Head/ Co Habit(at)ing
   Jessie Taylor 36 Thornton Hoagh, Cheshire says married /Married/Co Habit(at)ing
children as boarders:
    Emma Taylor 12 - 1899 Thornton Hoagh, Cheshire Housemaid/Domestic
    Frederick Taylor 8 - 1903 New Ferry, Cheshire
    John Henry Taylor  6 - 1905 Tranmere, Cheshire
    James E Taylor 1-1910 Tranmere, Cheshire

Interesting head of household!!!   
1901 Winstanley Road /  Lower Bebington, Cheshire, Eng   Reg Dist: Wirral
   Page 34  Piece/Folio 54  Sched Type 182
   !!!Anne Kay  65  1836 Thornton Hough, Cheshire Widowed Lives on own means
        boarders:  Jessie Taylor  26  - 1875 Thornton Hough, Cheshire  &
        children born Thornton Hough:  Cheshire Marjory Taylor 8    Elsie Taylor 5  Emma Taylor 3
Ellen Hession 49 Glasgow Scotland  John Hession 21 Flint   Ann Hession 8  Widnes, Lancs 
Samuel Fryer 40  Liverpool

Hopefully there might be some details on the birth certs re: the father Edward, as further hunting found these 2 christenings:    Mother Jessie Taylor    Father's Name / none 
   Marjory Ann Taylor   Chr 20 Aug 1893 Thornton-Hough, Cheshire, Eng / Thornton Mayow
   Elsie Taylor  Chr 6 Sept 1896  Thornton Mayow, Cheshire, Eng

[J.J.]

Looking for the daughter Emma's christening, I found an auntie instead...
Emma Taylor Chr  24 Sept 1868  Thornton-Hough / Thornton Mayow, Cheshire, Engl
Parents Charles Taylor & Ann

  and also Jessie & her mother Ann & brother Frederick in 1881
     https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q272-P19J
also in her household is a William "Hay" 43  Tarbock, Lancashire, England
Although not stated her mother was likely the Anne Kay Jessie boarded with on census
Marriage Jun quarter 1881  William Kay  & Ann Taylor   Wirral district  vol. 8a   p. 637

All this has yet to be proven as original info was mixed...

[J.J.]

   For those who still need some information on their families just hit the »Travelling People » link above... and start your own post by hitting the "Start New Topic" button. Make the heading (subject line) clear as to your basic surname searches. Less likely to be seen as a general topic that way... Enjoy!
   

[Nicky9036]

Hi,
The family members  found and described in the posts from JJ are from my family - Jessie Taylor 1874, Frederick Taylor, Elsie Taylor 1896/(my great grandmother who I knew), Emma Taylor, Ann Kay etc. If you want to know about the. , zi may be able to help. I would be interested to know if you found a connection with the original people being researched (Isabel Kay etc) and the Romany Gypsy camp.
Regards,
Nicola

[Ingham88]

Martha1924 alot of our family stopped on the camp at birkenhead and the one at thingwall Road and Liverpool. Boswells, Robinsons, Messhams and Locks. My dad remembers tiddles and horace and they were very friendly with a friend of my dad's called Charlie Kelly but he used the name Charlie Leek. He was a car dealer in birkhead but had come off travelling people originally. My dad only mentioned tiddles and horace last week. Also, my great grandfather was in wagons on yard in Liverpool with his parents and siblings along with his aunt carnation boswell who was married to duvel lock.