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Re: tracing James Palmer before it is too late.
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 10 February 09 16:52 GMT (UK) »
Hi Kammy and All.

Chronicle and Echo Tuesday February 18th 1941 Pg 3

MYSTERY FALL FROM
TRAIN ON WAY TO
DAUGHTER'S WEDDING


"NO EVIDENCE OF SUICIDE" SAYS
NORTHANTS CORONER

A MAN found dead on Saturday
on the railway line at Welton,
near Daventry, was killed on the
way to his daughter's wedding.

This was revealed at the inquest
at Welton yesterday.

In recording an open verdict the
Mid-Northamptonshire Coroner (Mr T.
Faulkner Gammage) said the circum-
stances were particularly tragic, and he
expressed sympathy with the relatives.
There was not the slightest suggestion
of suicide.

The inquest was on James Palmer
(50) commissionaire, of 13, Adelaide-
road, Edgeley, Stockport.
It was believed he had fallen from a train.

Margaret Palmer of 37, Holmstall-
avenue, Edgeware, said that Palmer
was her father. He had written to her
regularly and always seemed happy
and she knew nothing that might
worry him at all.

RETURN TICKET

"The last letter I had was on Wed-
nesday" she said "and in it he said
he would be in London on Friday even-
ing or Saturday morning. He was
coming to my sister's wedding on Satur-
day.
We were expecting him, but on Sat-
turday night the police called and told
us what had happened.

Witness added that her mother was
living at Mullingar (Ireland). Her
father had been living apart from her
mother for about 14 years.

Police Inspector Harry Wheeler , of
Daventry, said that on Saturday, in
response to a telephone message, he
went to Welton Station and accom-
panied the stationmaster to a point on
the railway three-quarters of a mile
south of the station where he saw the
body lying on the six-foot way. Pal-
mer had received multiple injuries and
his skull was smashed.

An identity card and a return ticket
from Stockport to London was found
in Palmer's clothes.

ALL DOORS IN ORDER

The state of the clothing indicated
that the body had been lying there
throughout the night.
William John Gray stationmaster at
Welton Station, said that the body was
found following a message from the
driver of the 8.40 a.m. Rugby to London
local train who had seen it on the line.

The 2.45 p.m. Blackpool to Euston
train had passed through Welton at 8.39
p.m.  "This train was subsequently
searched and all doors and locks were
found to be in good order. No report
had been received of any door having
been found open on this train.

It was ascertained that this train had
had to stop at a point just before
Bletchley, and it was possible that an
open door might have swung to as the
train pulled up.
The train was a corridor train.

The Coroner said he was satisfied
there was no evidence of suicide- rather
the reverse - as Palmer was on the way
to his daughter's wedding.
In the absence of any evidence from
the railway company as to the opening
of any door, he would record an open
verdict.
"It is particularly tragic" he said.

Sandy
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Re: tracing James Palmer before it is too late.
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 10 February 09 17:07 GMT (UK) »
Nice one Mum...

But it does lead to a number of further questions as some of the facts before the coroner don't seem to add up with the stories as told to Kammy!!

A commissionaire! Well that is a not unusual job for an ex squaddie...And he was going to London from Stockport (oh blimey...SWMBOs home stomping ground!)  not Ireland for the wedding...

Oh and you get an address!
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            Find my body near the wall.

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Re: tracing James Palmer before it is too late.
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 10 February 09 18:41 GMT (UK) »
Hi Kammy and All.

Chronicle and Echo Tuesday February 18th 1941 Pg 3

MYSTERY FALL FROM
TRAIN ON WAY TO
DAUGHTER'S WEDDING


"NO EVIDENCE OF SUICIDE" SAYS
NORTHANTS CORONER

A MAN found dead on Saturday
on the railway line at Welton,
near Daventry, was killed on the
way to his daughter's wedding.

This was revealed at the inquest
at Welton yesterday.

In recording an open verdict the
Mid-Northamptonshire Coroner (Mr T.
Faulkner Gammage) said the circum-
stances were particularly tragic, and he
expressed sympathy with the relatives.
There was not the slightest suggestion
of suicide.

The inquest was on James Palmer
(50) commissionaire, of 13, Adelaide-
road, Edgeley, Stockport.
It was believed he had fallen from a train.

Margaret Palmer of 37, Holmstall-
avenue, Edgeware, said that Palmer
was her father. He had written to her
regularly and always seemed happy
and she knew nothing that might
worry him at all.

RETURN TICKET

"The last letter I had was on Wed-
nesday" she said "and in it he said
he would be in London on Friday even-
ing or Saturday morning. He was
coming to my sister's wedding on Satur-
day.
We were expecting him, but on Sat-
turday night the police called and told
us what had happened.

Witness added that her mother was
living at Mullingar (Ireland). Her
father had been living apart from her
mother for about 14 years.

Police Inspector Harry Wheeler , of
Daventry, said that on Saturday, in
response to a telephone message, he
went to Welton Station and accom-
panied the stationmaster to a point on
the railway three-quarters of a mile
south of the station where he saw the
body lying on the six-foot way. Pal-
mer had received multiple injuries and
his skull was smashed.

An identity card and a return ticket
from Stockport to London was found
in Palmer's clothes.

ALL DOORS IN ORDER

The state of the clothing indicated
that the body had been lying there
throughout the night.
William John Gray stationmaster at
Welton Station, said that the body was
found following a message from the
driver of the 8.40 a.m. Rugby to London
local train who had seen it on the line.

The 2.45 p.m. Blackpool to Euston
train had passed through Welton at 8.39
p.m.  "This train was subsequently
searched and all doors and locks were
found to be in good order. No report
had been received of any door having
been found open on this train.

It was ascertained that this train had
had to stop at a point just before
Bletchley, and it was possible that an
open door might have swung to as the
train pulled up.
The train was a corridor train.

The Coroner said he was satisfied
there was no evidence of suicide- rather
the reverse - as Palmer was on the way
to his daughter's wedding.
In the absence of any evidence from
the railway company as to the opening
of any door, he would record an open
verdict.
"It is particularly tragic" he said.

Sandy

hope this is right as I am not to sure about how to thankyou - you clever thing - have just got back from  my dads ( James Palmers son) and he is so excited he is having his sisters round tomorrow to go  over  the info received from the very kind people who helped over the weekend - its fantastic that you guys are out there....thankyou so much - they are of the opinion he was ''done away with''...the marriage thing was apparently in London even though the family of the wife lived in Ireland ..sorry misunderstood where he was heading but you sorted it anyway

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Re: tracing James Palmer before it is too late.
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 10 February 09 20:06 GMT (UK) »
Sorry, there appears to be nothing in the Home Guard records we hold,but there may be in the main ones.

We only hold for the NN9 district which is a couple of miles form Dav. I thought we held more! ::) ::) ::)

I should have a period pic of Welton station though for you.... ;)
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Re: tracing James Palmer before it is too late.
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 10 February 09 20:20 GMT (UK) »
thankyou for trying anyway - it was another avenue that I would never have thought of ( quelle surprise????) the picture would be lovely and would at least give my dad ( and siblings) something to build on..
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Re: tracing James Palmer before it is too late.
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 10 February 09 20:27 GMT (UK) »
Just picked up on this heres the card.
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Re: tracing James Palmer before it is too late.
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 10 February 09 20:43 GMT (UK) »
many many thanks - that is so clear.
that will look lovely framed!
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Re: tracing James Palmer before it is too late.
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 12 February 09 16:08 GMT (UK) »
I hope I have done this right as I am on my own at the moment - I would just like to say a HUGE THANKYOU TO EVERYONE who helped me to find out invaluable information regarding my grandfather ( I feel I can call him that now) James Palmer ....my dad showed off all his '' new information'' to some of his siblings yesterday and there were a few tears but a lot of appreciation for this brand new information and it would not have been possible without the help of the kindess of you all.
thankyou and I wish you all success in your searches.
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Re: tracing James Palmer before it is too late.
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 12 February 09 16:21 GMT (UK) »
Just picked up on this heres the card.
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Oh blimey...What did I miss here??
One more charge and then be dumb,
            When the forts of Folly fall,
        May the victors when they come
            Find my body near the wall.