coombe bissett - martin - rockbourne

[adge654]

Trying to locate William Delicate  born abt 1818, he married in December 1841 to Harriet Harris, but does not show on the 1841 census,  he was a Shepherd and could have been away tending his sheep during lambing season. There is no record of his birth or who is parents were only that he was born in Coombe Bissett, on his marriage cert, he names his father as a  Thomas Kimber ?. 
Was he registered with his mothers name at birth, perhaps she was unmarried as no information seems to be available and we do not know who his mother was.  Would anyone know where is the best place to look.
Seems most avenues have been exhausted.
Alan

[LizzieW]

There is a Thomas Kimber on the 1841 census living at Coombe Bissett, Wilts.  He was born about 1799, so if he was William Delicate's father he would have been about 19 when William was born and not in a position to marry William's mother.

How do you know William was born abt 1818 if you don't know who his mother was.  How old was Harriet at the time of the marriage and what was her father called?  According to FreeBMD they married in Hampshire, so it might be that he moved there, rather than stay in Wiltshire.

Have you got William and Harriett in the 1851/61/71 etc. censuses?  I couldn't find him at all, therefore as William Delicate and his wife Harriet Harris seem to have disappeared off the face of the earth,  I did wonder if instead of Harriet taking his surname, he had taken hers and changed his name to Harris.  I did a search on William and Harriet Harris but didn't have any luck.  On the 1861 census there is a William Harris born in Coombe Bassett and his neighbours are called Kimber.  However, his wife is called Sarah and as he gives his age as 36, that would mean he was only 16 in 1841, so probably not your William.

Sorry drawn a blank.

Lizzie

[adge654]

Hi Lizzie,
Thanks for your input, if I can elaborate :-               

   William Delicate married Harriet Harris in Dec 1841, in the village of Martin 
   where he worked as a Shepherd   [on marriage cert]  he gave his address as
   Rockbourne, and Thomas Kimber as his Father.   they had three children,   
   Alfred,  George [my G/Grandfather] and John.
   Harriet died in 1847, possibly in giving birth to John [who died 1855]
   William then married Sarah Read  in 1858. and went on to have another       
   seven children with Sarah.
   William is in the 1851 census, as a widower, living with his inlaws, James
   and Sarah Harris and two of his children, both born in Martin.  It gives his 
   date of birth as 1818.     
   A lot of information was given by another Lady who is a descendant of the
   Delicates and have been researching them but cannot trace before 1841.

I hope this makes it a bit clearer,  maybe as you say Thomas was to young to marry Williams mother.    I see on the marriage cert that both William and Harriet's ages were given as "full age" and they could only put there mark as a "cross" instead of a signature.      Interesting

Alan

[LizzieW]

Hi Alan

I did see William Delicate on the 1851 census, but as you'll see from the time I posted my reply to your thread it was quite late at night!  I'll have another look tomorrow to see if there is any info pre 1841. 

Lizzie

[Daisypetal]

Hi,

I found this at the a2a website,

http://www.a2a.org.uk/search/index.asp


SALISBURY AND AMESBURY COUNTY DIVISION
Catalogue Ref. B18
Creator(s): Salisbury and Amesbury County Petty Sessional Division
FILE - Justices' Minute Books 
ref.  B18/100/14 
date: Jan 1819 - Jan 1820
item: Bastardy Order [no ref.]
date: 11.05.1819
[from Scope and Content] Father's Name etc: Thomas Kimber, Coombe Bissett labourer, male child born 24 March last


Unfortunately it doesn't mention the child's or mother's name, if you contact Wiltshire and Swindon Archives they might be able to help further,

http://www.wshc.eu/

archives[at]wiltshire.gov.uk        Replace [at] with @
01249 705500


Regards
Daisy

[adge654]

Hi Daisy,

Thank you for the info, you have given me, it opens a fresh line of research.
Thank you again,

Alan   

[LizzieW]

Alan

If you get hold of the Bastardy Order, it should give the mother's name.   I have a Bastardy Bond from Lincs C.C. and that gives the mother's name and was just to register the fact that the mother was pregnant and give name of the father.  In my case, there is no trace of the child, so presumably the mother either had a miscarriage or a stillbirth, although she did have an illegitimate child about 5 years later, who became my g.g.grandfather.  He names someone as his father on his marriage certificate too, but there is no sign of a Bastardy Order regarding my g.g.grandfather.

[adge654]

Thanks for that LizzieW, we are looking into it and hopeing it can move us further back into the 18 cent.
Alan