mitcham rocky - family james and smiths

[jaytoot]

Hi Sharron,

 this is good - i think it confirms what you already thought about the marriage of Siberina Draper and Joseph Smith. And if i am not confused it looks like Siberina's parents are definitley Frederick Draper (as per the marriage cert) possibly maybe her mother was a Humphrey.
Does this mean the manuscript document at the Liverpool university is flawed?

Happy hunting

Jim

[CitizenSmith]

Hi Jim

I wouldn't call the documents at Liverpool 'flawed'. The biographical notes about Gypsy families held there were mainly collected in the late 19th and early 20th centuries with information/oral history collected directly from Gypsies. But if folk were looking back several generations to family members that they didn't know personally but only through stories they'd heard, it's not surprising that their memories were sometimes hazy or inaccurate.

In my experience, the Liverpool papers (and associated articles in the Journal of the Gypsy Lore Society Journal) are a great starting point but events/dates/names/partnerships should always be cross-checked using original historic documents.

Best wishes

Sharon

[tiggi]

Hi CitizenSmith
I have found this information
Banns of Marriage Castle Thorpe Buckinghamshire
Emanuell Buckley of this Parish Bachelor and Aquila Draper of this Parish
 were Married in this Church by Licence
 this 28th Day of October in the Year One Thousand Seven Hundred and Sixty Nine 1769
by me Moses Agar Vicar
This Marriage was solemnized between Us The mark of Emanuel X Buckley
The mark of Aquila X Draper now Aquila Buckley in the Presence of Thos Walker Charles Tooth


Can you tell me anything about Aquila Draper please?

[CitizenSmith]

Hi Tiggi

Thanks for this info. I was aware of the existence of this marriage but have never seen the full details before.

I haven't been able to trace a baptism for this Aquila Draper so far. However, I do have a reference to a Solomon Draper who had a wife named Artuly or Arculah (maiden name Stanley) and perhaps 'Aquila' is a form of this name and represents a family connection.

This Solomon tended to travel in Hampshire, Berkshire  and Oxfordshire. He was transported to America in 1740 with his brother Valentine and so is unlikely to be the father of Aquila if we count on the idea that she was probably around 21 when she married in 1769.

Best wishes

Sharon

[tiggi]

Thanks for that....... well I think Emanuell was an older brother to Edward Buckland  b 1755 who it says married Paradice Lee  or Boswell ( not sure of her surname)
Edward was the one who was hanged in 1821 aged 66 for murder of Judy Pearce in Sailsbury Assizes

They had a son Edward who married Lucy Boswell in 1815 Knowle
Who may have briefly been with Major Boswell
Major Boswell c.1780 Bloxham Ox, married briefly one Lucy Boswell, 15.01.1798 Breedon On The Hill Leic.

Edward & lucy  they had 2 daughters who married Welsh Lee brothers Sampson & Eiljah..... could be kin to Paradice

What confuses me with this family is there is possible a another Edward b 1755 who wife was Diana Smith and that is my line ......or am wondering if its same man  did he have 2 wives 1st Diana then Paradice ?

 funnily we have link to Stanley family and America so mentioning about earlier link with Solomon Draper etc could be something.......

I tear my hair out over this lots lolol any help would be gratefully recieved

Oh just to add of course we also have Smith sdie think its through Wisdom Smith & Elizabeth Gentle and of course there is mention he may have had a wife Harriet Buckland ?

Help !!

[tiggi]

I also have this Marriage too : which is in same area as last one and I know families do link up as I said with Wisdom Smith etc
but I know nothing about Redden as a surname ?


1883. Marriage solemnized in the Parish of Castlethorpe in the County of Buckingham
No. 143 November 12 John Redden Isabella Smith 21 19 Bachelor Spinster Hawker
---Castlethorpe Castlethorpe John Redden Shadrack Smith Hawker Hawker
Married in the Church of Castlethorpe according to the Rites and Ceremonies of the Church of England by me, M A Nicholson
This Marriage was solemnized between us, John Redden X his mark, Isabella Smith X her mark
in the Presence of us, Charles Nealman X his mark, Maria Smith X her mark