Found Fishmongers Leases in Londonderry

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I have located the names of tenants leases were issued to on the Fishmongers Estate in Londonderry.  These are a great source for that period as clearly some of these did not appear in these lands in the Tithe Records/1831 census due such reasons as default of payment, emigration or death.  I will post what I have been able to find under this thread over the next week or so.  No further information is given other than what I post.

Peter A. Kincaid
Fredericton, NB, Canada

MS 5571, Guildhall Library, London.  Fishmongers Court Minute Books, Vol. 13, 5 February 1824 to 29 September 1828.

p. 41.  20 May 1824.

Freehold leases for the life of Joseph Wilson, Esqr Prime Warden and in case of his death then for 21 years from the 1st November 1822.

John Miller, Riscahan
John Hamilton, Ballykelly
Hugh Wright, Ballykeen
Martha Allison, Greysteelmore
Samuel Morrison, Greysteelmore
Jane Morrison, Greysteelmore
James Morrison, Greysteelmore
James Mullan, Kinculbrack
John Long, Kinculbrack
Samuel Smith, Kinculbrack
Andrew Long, Kinculbrack
Robert Craig, Ballymaclanaghan
Stewar Christy Jr, Ballymaclanaghan
William Rosebrow, Ballyhanedin
Alexander Lyons, Ballyhanedin
William Cochran, Nedd

Leases for a term of 21 years from the 1st November 1822

Joseph Allen, Riscahan
Robert Atkinson, Ballykelly
Arthur Brolly, Mulding
Michael Divine, Muldirg
John Brown, Muldirg
Charles Divine, Muldirg
James Divine, Muldirg
Ralph Hamilton, Kinculbrack
William Hamilton, Kinculbrack
Hugh Hamilton, Kinculbrack
Joseph Sherrard, Kinculbrack
Manas Gormley, Kinculbrack
Samuel Blair, Kinculbrack
Robert Blair, Kinculbrack
John Porter, Greysteelmore
Robert Guthrie, Greysteelmore
William Guthrie, Greysteelmore
Margaret Rosborrow, Balahinedin
Michael McClenaghan, Balahinedin
William McCully, Balahinedin
James Montieth, Balahinedin
James Rosborrow, Balahinedin
Stephen Brizle, Balahinedin
James Christy, Ballymaclenaghan
Stewart Christy Sr, Ballymaclenaghan
John Marshall, Ballymaclenaghan
George Green, Ballymaclenaghan
Christopher Green, Ballymaclenaghan
Arthur Connor, Sistrokeel
William Sherrard, Sistrokeel
Isaac Connor, Sistrokeel
John Collins, Sistrokeel
John Connor, Sistrokeel
Bryan McGowan, Sistrokeel
Samuel Humes, Sistrokeel
John Conn, Nedd
John Guy, Nedd
Joseph Keys, Nedd
Isabella Cochrane, Nedd & Oghill
James Hood, Nedd & Drumbrack
William Robinson, Tullymain
John Marshall, Carrickhugh
Alexander Hare, Killylane
Robert Cowan, Ballykean
John Kerr, Glasvey
Abraham Loan, Glasvey

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More Fishmongers Leases abstracted by Peter A. Kincaid, Fredericton, NB, Canada:

MS 5571, Guildhall Library, London.  Fishmongers Court Minute Books, Vol. 13, 5 February

1824 to 29 September 1828.

p. 46.  10 June 1824.

Freehold leases for the life of Joseph Wilson, Esqr Prime Warden and in case of his death

then for 21 years from the 1st November 1822.

Alexander Morrison, Greysteelbeg
William Wilson, Farloe
Andrew Moody, Farloe
James Miller, Tirglessan
James Mitchell, Killycorr
Neal Breeson, Killycorr
Samuel Creswell, Nedd
William Patterson, Carnimuff
Robert Thompson, Carnimuff
John McCulley, Ballyspallen
William Gilfilan, Killylane
George Cochran, Killylane
Arthur Sampson, Ballykeen
Thomas Carland, Coolnacoopagh
John Townly, Termacoy
David Cather, Glasakeeran
Thomas Gibson, Dungorcan
John Simpson, Dungorcan
Margaret Cather, Carrickhugh
Robert Ogilby, Lisnakelly
James Quigly, Sistrokeel
James Caldwell, Maghremore
Robert Barber, Gortgarr

Leases for a term of 21 years from the 1st November 1822.

John Caldwell, Killylane
William Burns, Killylane
Thomas Jamison, Killylane
William Michels, Killylane
Alexander Sloan, Killylane
William Tedlie, Killylane
Owen McPeak, Ballyspallen
Hugh Craig, Gortgarr
James Walker, Gortgarr
Robert Parkhill Sr, Gortgarr
Robert Parkhill Jr, Gortgarr
Adam Parkhill, Gortgarr
Mary Parkhill, Gortgarr
Eleanor Thom, Killycorr
John McClosky, Killycorr
James Millar, Killycorr
James Long, Killcorr
James Hargan, Killycorr
Samuel Hamilton, Killycorr
Michael Donaghy, Killycorr
Neal Breeson, Killycorr
Michael Cartin, Killycorr
Mary Tedlie, Maghremore
Christopher Tedlie, Maghremore
Robert Clark, Tullyhoe
William Forsyth, Carnimuff
John Patchell, Carnimuff
Samuel Withrow, Kinculmagranel
Michael Millar, Kinculmagranel
Michael Morrison, Kinculmagranel
Thomas Jemison, Kinculmagranel
Hugh McLary, Glack
William Towner, Glack
John McGowan, Glack
Catherine Leech, Glack
John Leech, Glack
James Canning, Glack
William Hargan, Killycorr
George Creswell, Dumbrock
Edward Clemenets, Dumbrock
John Connor, Dumbrock
James Leech, Dumbrock
Thomas Loughrey, Dumbrock
Nicholas Loane, Dumbrock
David Loughrey, Dumbrock
William Moore, Terglessan
Thomas Millar, Terglessan
William Millar, Terglessan
John Eakin Sr., Terglessan
John Eakin Jr., Terglessan
William Evans, Terglessan
John Cochrane, Terglessan
James Cochrane, Terglessan
Samuel Blair, Terglessan
John Millar, Coolnacoopagh
David Millar, Coolnacoopagh
John Morrison, Coolnacoopagh
Marshal Eakin, Coolnacoopagh
William Christie, Coolnacoopagh
George Procter, Coolkenaght
John McCunn, Coolkenaght
Matthew Loughrey, Coolkenaght
John Tracy, Gortilea
Michael Tracy, Gortilea
John Marshall, Gortilea
Philip McShane, Gortilea
John Donaghy, Gortilea
Michael Donaghy, Gortilea
Edward McGowan, Drumacony
William Ross, Greysteelbeg
John Ross Senr, Greysteelbeg
John Ross Junr, Greysteelbeg
John Murray, Greysteelbeg
David Caldwell, Greysteelbeg
Joseph Townly, Termacoy
Archibald Stewart, Termacoy
Samuel Selfridge, Termacoy
Robert Morrison, Termacoy
James Murray, Termacoy
James McAfee, Termacoy
William McCloy, Oghill
Samuel McKissack, Oghill
Robert Jamison, Oghill
David Eakin Sr, Letterlogher
Robert Eakin, Letterlogher
James Eakin, Letterlogher
John Eakin, Letterlogher
Alexander Hamilton, Letterlogher
Thomas Whiteside, Letterlogher
Joseph Wark, Broharris
Robert Wark, Broharris
Thomas Gibson, Dungorcan
Sarah Gibson, Dungorcan
Samuel Hall, Dungorcan
Elijah Ross, Dungullion
Margt Rogers, Dungullion
James Parkhill, Dungullion
Eleanor Patten, Dungullion
Jane Parkhill, Dungullion
Dennis McFeely, Ballyholly
Michl McClosky, Ballyholly
Patrick Harran, Ballyholly
William Donaghy, Ballyholly
Henry Donaghy, Ballyholly

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More Fishmongers Company Leases in County Londonderry as abstracted by Peter A. Kincaid of Fredericton, NB, Canada.

LDS Film # 1966803

MS 5571, Guildhall Library, London.  Fishmongers Court Minute Books, Vol. 13, 5 February 1824 to 29 September 1828.

p. 118.  24 February 1825.

Freehold Lease to David Cather (with consent of Robert Ogilby) of lands in Ireland, as agreed by the Irish Estate Committee the 12th of February last.

p. 188.  16 February 1826.

Freehold Lease to Hugh Boyle of land in Ireland as agreed by the Irish Estate Committee 10th November last.

p. 191-192.  23 March 1826.

Freehold leases for the life of Joseph Wilson, Esqr late Prime Warden of the Fishmongers Company and in case of his death then for 18 years from the 1st November 1825.

Elizabeth Biggart, Gresteelbeg
Joseph Gibson, Broighter
John Gilmore, Ballyspallen
George Limerick, Drumacony
William McAuley, Ballykelly
Robert Campbell McCausland, Broglascow
George OMullan, Glack
William Reed, Barnakelly
John Robinson, Ballykelly
Bryan Breeson, Sistrokeel
Edward McGowan, Sistrokeel

Leases for a term of 18 years from the 1st of November 1825.

Hugh Breeson, Glack
James Caldwell, Killylane
John Ferguson, Dungullion
Henry Guthrie, Gresteelbeg
James Kerr, Ballykelly
James McFarland, Drumacony
Joseph Robinson, Broharris
William Crooks, Killycor
Samuel Hamilton, Killycor
William Glen, Tullyhoe
Samuel Limerick, Ballykelly
James Hindman, Carnimuff
James Patchell, Carnimuff
James Walker, Termacoy
John Marshall, Ballymaclanaghan

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More Fishmongers Company Leases in Londonderry as abstracted by Peter A. Kincaid, Fredericton, NB, Canada

MS 5571, Guildhall Library, London.  Fishmongers Court Minute Books, Vol. 13, 5 February 1824 to 29 September 1828.

p. 207.  13 April 1826.

Freehold Leases to the undermentioned person of Land and premises on the Company's Estate in Ireland, for the life of Thomas Bodley Esqr Prime Warden of this Company, and in case of his death, then for 18 years from the 1st November 1825, on the terms agreed by the Irish Estate Committee the 28th of February last, are sealed with the common seal of this Company vizt.

John Given, Farloe
John Morrison, Carnimuff
Hugh Swan, Drumcovit
James Stirling, Ballykelly

p. 292.  7 December 1826.

Freehold Leases for the life of Thomas Bodley Esqr late Prime Warden, and in case of his death then for 18 years from 1st November 1825 to

Thomas Carland, Coolnacoopagh
Samuel Morrison, Gresteelbeg
Hugh Gray, Ballyspallen
Frederick McCausland, Riscahan
Isaac Ramsay, Broharris and
Robert Boyd, Drumcovit, and also to
James Dunn, of Ballyspallen and
in case of the death of the said Thomas Bodley then for 19 yrs from 1st Novr 1824.

{Abstractor's note: It seems that the last line related to James Dunn's lease}

Leases for a term of 21 years from 1st November 1825

Henry Boyle Hunter, Drumcovit
James Kincaid, Ballykelly


p. 302.  15 February 1827.

A Lease for 17 years from the 1st of November last to Robert McFarland of land in the Townland of Broharris as directed by the Irish Estate Committee the 10th instant is sealed with the common seal of this Compy in open court.

p. 329.  12 April 1827.

A Lease to Mary Anne Hamilton widow of Samuel Hamilton of lands in the parish of Cumber in the townland of Killycor for 17 years from the 1st Novr last is sealed with the common seal of this Company.

p. 356.  3 May 1827.

A Freehold Lease to Solomon Rentoul for the life of Joseph Wilson Esqr late Prime Warden of this Company and in case of his death then for 17 years from 1st November 1826 of lands in the Townlands of Broglascow, Broharris & Farlough in the County of Londonderry is sealed with the common seal of this Company in open court.

p. 386.  1 August 1827.

An arrangement has taken place between The Reverend G. V. Sampson and James Kincaid, relative to the slip of land on the west side of the Road leading to the canal, of which a plan is annexed to the Report: the increase of rent to be paid by James Kincaid is 5 s/ per annum upon the 7 A. 2R. 20 P. of Ballykelly Park lands.

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These leases were found in the Minute Books of the Fishmongers Company.  Volume 13 was microfilmed by the Church of Jesus Christ and Latter Day Saints (LDS) under microfilm #1966803.

The freehold leases differ from the other leases in that the value of the lands/premises were in excess of £20.  The leasees had to pay 2 guinea to have their leases sealed.

The Fishmongers Company had leased their lands in Londonderry to the Earl of Tyrone for terms which included for the life of King George III.  Thus, the lands reverted to the Fishmongers Company upon the death of King George III on 29 January 1820.  A rent roll of the Manor of Walworth was received by them on 8 February 1820 (notation of such in vol. 11, p. 235).  Representatives of the Company went to Londonderry and compiled a complete list of all tenants on the Company's lands.  This was completed and its receipt was noted on 27 July 1820 (vol. 12, p. 50).  It was recorded as Appendix 5.  Hence, somewhere in the Fishmongers records in London should be a complete rent roll of the estate done in 1820!!!!

Initially the Company had continued the previous leases for one year.  Subsequent to that longer term leases were to be prepared.  It is clear from comments that not all tenants initially wanted to enter into long term leases.  These were hard times and they were taking a chance of holding year to year leases in the hope of getting better terms.

It was noted (vol. 12, p. 3 & 85) that prior to 1820 Protestant tenants held their holdings under sub-leases given by the Earl of Tyrone from 1749 to 1754.  These were held under the same terms of the Earl so they expired in 1820.  Hence, many of the existing tenats were direct descendants of the 1749-54 leasees.  Prior to 1820, the Catholic tenants held for a term of years which expired about the year 1800 from which Catholics held at the pleasure of the Earl.  They were subject to large increases in rent which many of the Protestants did not have to suffer as many still held at 1749-1754 rates.

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More Fishmongers Company Leases in County Londonderry as abstracted by Peter A. Kincaid of Fredericton, NB, Canada.

MS 5571, Guildhall Library, London.  Fishmongers Court Minute Books, Vol. 12, 13 April 1820 to 11 December 1823.

Quite quickly after the Fishmongers got control of their Londonderry estate they attended to leasing out their larger and more valuable properties.  There was a fair deal of discussion about this.  The following is just a summary of how some of these were to be rented.

p. 150-151.  30 November 1820.

The Farm and House at Farloe had long been held by the Stirling family rent free.  The desire was to rent it out to Rev. Robert Rentoul at £60 a year from November 1st.  However, possible interests of Major Stirling in Dublin had to be addressed.

p. 151.  30 November 1820.

Mr. Barre Beresford was to have a lease of Walworth Demesne and House for 31 years at £330 a year.  This was approved on p. 184 in the 14 December 1820 court session.

p. 152.  30 November 1820.

Mr. Beresford and Daniel McFarland were to give up their joint possession of the corn mill in Ballykelly as well as 8 acres of land called the Mill land.

p. 152-153.  30 November 1820.

Henry Boyle Hunter was to retain Drumcovit farm with a 21 year lease or 31 years without a life at £120 a year.  He was to resign his interest on p. 430 (1 August 1823) to his brother, Mr. Richard Hunter, who with Mrs. D. W. Maxwell, jointly held Mr. Johnston's farm.

p. 153.  30 Novmber 1820.

Rev. Marcus McCausland, about 70 years of age with no family, was to resign the townland of Broglasgow in November 1821.  His nephew Mr. Hugh Boyle was to lease half of the townland.  Hugh Boyle, Esq.,  was approved on p. 185 in the 14 December 1820 court session for part of Broglascow except portions occupied by Rev. Robert Rentoul and Mrs. Holmes.

p. 189.  14 December 1820.

David Moore, Esq., gets lease of part of Upper Drummond, being about 34 acres, for 61 years from November last.  He also had a option for 31 years of other land to be determined.

p. 431.  1 August 1823.

Mr. Robert Ogilby to hold Lisnakelly left him by the Will of his brother David Ogilby.

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More Fishmongers Company Leases in County Londonderry as abstracted by Peter A. Kincaid of Fredericton, NB, Canada.

MS 5571, Guildhall Library, London.  Fishmongers Court Minute Books, Vol. 13, 5 February 1824 to 29 September 1828.

p. 430.  22 November 1827.

Leases to the under mentioned persons on the Company's Estate in Ireland are sealed with the common seal of this company, vizt.

A Freehold lease for the life of Thomas Bodley Esqr late Prime Warden and in case of his death then for 18 years from 1st Novr 1825 to

Neal McLaughlin, Ballyhanedin

Freehold leases for the life of Joseph Wilson Esqr late Prime Warden and in case of his death then for 17 years from 1st November 1826 to

Robert Craig, Ballymaclanaghan
John Campbell, Drummond

Leases for the term of 17 years from 1st November 1826 to

James Christy, Ballymaclanaghan
George David, Maghremore
George Proctor, Carrichue
Christopher Tedlie, Maghremore and
James Scott & Jno Moore, Executors of Jas Holmes, decd


MS 5571, Guildhall Library, London.  Fishmongers Court Minute Books, Vol. 13, 5 February 1824 to 29 September 1828.

p. 497.  22 May 1828.

The Freehold leases to Jno Campbell of Drummond and Neal McLaughlin of Ballahanedin, which were sealed to them by the Court the 22nd of November last, were re-sealed with the common seal of this Company in open court: an alteration having been made in such leases with respect to Tythes.

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Peter,
I would like to continue the search for leases on the fishmonger’s estate as I am trying to find one for McKeever pre 1851. Can you advise if  (LDS) microfilm #1966803. has further details 1828 to 1837 ( I see that the catalogue details a date range up to 1837 for this microfilm). If not then I think I should order and check (LDS) microfilm #1966804. Your advice would be very much appreciated as it can take months for these tapes to arrive.

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There were more leases which I have abstracted and will post shortly.  I went to the end of the film.  I expect the next film to be at least as rewarding.  In the 1840s there should be a flurry of lease renewals or new leases issued.  There may also be an increase in the number of people given pensions considering the famine years.  I plan on checking the 1750s time period as that seemed to be the previous period of lease renewal activity. 

Peter

P.S. emcivor: if you check under the separate thread of "Pensions granted to Fishmongers tenants" you will find that one Manus McKeevor of Gortilea received pensions.