Henry PENNY & Jessie ROWLAND family

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His mother, Jessie Penny (nee Rowland) lived with him for some of that time, dying in 1936. He gives his address as 25 Allfarthing Lane, Wandsworth, London, SW18.

London Electoral Register
Frank Penny is at that address years 1950 - 1958 there are others but none with surname Penny

Can I ask what evidence there is for the death in 1936 of Jessie Penny please. Did she die with a different surname.

John

[Ladyhawk]

I now have confirmation that Henry Penny died 11 Dec 1905 at Yeovil hospital aged 51 years leaving Jessie Penny (of 30 South Street, Yeovil) widowed.

 The youngest four children would have been about 6, 7, 10 and 12 years old.  As a farm labourer, and probably in a tied cottage, the situation would have been dire. Although at least two of the family later lived in Canada there is no evidence (yet) of any of them being shipped out there 'for a better life'.

On the other hand the youngest members and their mother cannot readily be found in the UK 1911 census. Adoption?

Could Jessie Penny have remarried?

Penny    Jessie   
Williams   Thomas
Sep 1912 Pontypridd    11a   1251

And is this Jessie living in Wales?

1911c https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW6T-1K8

Thomas Williams Head   56   Pontypridd
Jessie Williams   Wife   46, Devonshire
Reginald Penny   Son   15   Yeovil , Somersetshire

Is this son Edwin?

Edwin Penny
Record Type:   Card
Service Number:   7338
Title:   WWI Pension Record Cards and Ledgers
Description:   Other Ranks Died Penn W-Perchard S
Reference Number:   DP.P.35 8/D/5481 5/D/3749
Next of Kin:   
Jessie Williams   Mother Residence Place:   Tonyrefail
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You beat me to it again Ladyhawk

John

added on the 1931/32 electoral registers living with Frank and Rose is a Jessie Williams.

[LockeLad]

Thanks for your replies. From my own records:
Jessie Penny did marry a Thomas Williams of Pontypridd and Reginald Penny is a son from her first marriage.
Edwin Penny, another of her sons, died as stated in WW1.

[LockeLad]

A number of years ago, when I searched for Frank Penny in the 1911 census, I couldn't find him. Please can you find him and also in 1921? Probably in Wales or the West Country.

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Do not have worldwide membership of Ancestry, but this Frank Penny is born c1899

1921 Census of Canada
1920s
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Record information.
Name   
Frank Penny
Other   
given name surname
Birth   
location
Arrival   
year
Residence   
dd mm 1921 city, Parry Sound, Ontario, Canada

John

[LockeLad]

Frank's letter of 9/11/1955 to his sister Lucy Locke nee Penny, my grandmother, makes no mention of  being in Canada. In view of his poor heath after the war it seems unlikely.
Other related Penny family members did emigrate to Canada although I have no record of a Frank Penny.

[Ladyhawk]

Do not have worldwide membership of Ancestry, but this Frank Penny is born c1899

1921 Census of Canada
1920s
View
Record information.
Name   
Frank Penny
Other   
given name surname
Birth   
location
Arrival   
year
Residence   
dd mm 1921 city, Parry Sound, Ontario, Canada

The above Frank Penny age 24 is with his brothers John & Angelo all born Italy
Residence   1 Jun 1921 McDougal (incorperated), Parry Sound, Ontario, Canada

Frank Penny pretty elusive on 1911c 
Strange that as he was the youngest child he's not with his mother Jessie & brother Reginald in Wales 

I found this Frank as an inmate and wondered if his surname had been mistranscribed but unfortunately not original reads PEARCE

Frank Pearce  age 12 Kilmersdon, Somersetshire, inmate
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7R2-4LC

Has a marriage entry for Frank Penny to a Rose May ? been located? I've not found one

[LockeLad]

Here is some supporting evidence about the Penny family sent to me some years ago by Dr. Barnado's about Alma Clara Penny and her siblings. It establishes that Frank was not sent by them to Canada as a boy.

Alma was admitted to Barnardo's care on 29th August 1906. Her date of birth is shown as 3rd August 1895 at Chilton Cantelo, Somerset. Her father is not named but is said to have died on 6th December 1905. Her mother is named as Jenny (sic) Penny, aged 44, and living at 160 Penarth Road, Cardiff. It is stated her parents married on 24th July 1881 at West Camel, Somerset.

Her brothers are named as Henry, aged 22, collier in Rhondda Valley; Edwin, aged 21, a soldier but later living in Canada; Albert, aged 19, soldier; Silas, aged 16, dairyman's assistant in Weymouth; Ernest, aged 15, farm lad in Dorset; Reginald, aged 9; and Frank, aged 6; both with mother.
Her sisters are named as Mary White, aged 26, living in Yeovil; Lucy Locke, aged 23, living in Martock, Somerset.
Her maternal grandfather is named as John Rowland, aged 73, living with maternal aunt, Sarah Penny.
Alma was emigrated to Canada on 21st February 1907 aboard the SS Dominion and arrived in Portland on 5th March.
I can confirm that Reginald and Frank were NOT admitted to Barnardo's care.

I have failed, as yet, to locate a marriage date for Frank Penny to his wife Rose May. Or to discover her maiden name.