Burgess-Spalding - a puzzle/condundrum

[CanadianStoddart]

Gadget -

I have reviewed those ancestry oneworldtrees as well and use them cautiously. There are a lot of errors in them.

I haven't posted a tree on Ancestry but there are at least two other Stoddart researchers that have, one with the same name as me.

Thanks,
Margaret

[Gadget]

Will do a search for Jane Murray Rammage next 

Do you have anything at all about her except that she married James?


Gadget

[CanadianStoddart]

Jane Murray Ramage b 1822 d Dec 12 1909 married James Burgess Dec 29 1843. They had 11 children and came to Canada I believe in the early 1840s.

[Gadget]

Yes - I've been trying to look for her death - nothing at all on any of the listings 1909 or at any time - as Burges* or Ram*age.  Nothing on censuses either after James is listed as Head of Household in 1871.  Mary Stoddart Burgess, who married Thomas Ivey, is supposed to have emigrated to the US in 1882. Did she go with them 

This information was from a family bible and a will. I don't see James death in 1875 either. This is all very strange.

I might try a request on the Canada board but I do have access to all the Ontario BMDs that are online 

Gadget

PS - if it was James, son of John Burgess and Jean Mcdowall, he came to Canada in 1826 with his parents.

[Gadget]

do you have access to the cemetery records?

James is supposedly buried in the Pioneer Cemetery, Durham, Bentinck Township, Grey County. May 1875.

[Gadget]

My theory is that Jane Murray Ramage was the daughter of Mary Stoddart and (James) Ramage.

Mary was b. 1802 so she would be of an age. I think I saw a marriage for her listed as 1822. The Murray name could have come from James Ramage's family line.

The names of Jane Murray Ramage and James Burgess's children were:

Mary Stoddart - Stoddart line
Thomas Spalding - Burgess line
Jane McDougal - Mcdowal line
Janet Padkin- Stoddart line
Helen Murray
James
John McDowal - Mcdowal line
James McKenzie
Robert William Ramage
Nina Annie Laurie - Mcdowal line  (Jean McDowal's mother was, I think, a Laurie)
Malvina

The info that we have says that she was b. Scotland - but not sourced.


Gadget

[Gadget]

Had some great help from KarenM from the Canadian Board who has  found her death (as Jean Murray Burgess) -  Nov 1909, Oxford Co. Giving an approx birth year of 1832. Parents listed as James Ramage and Mary Stoddart.

I've just found a baptism on the OPRs (SP)

25 Feb 1828, Crawfordjohn, Lanarkshire
Janet Ramage
Parents - James Ramage and Mary Stoddart

Gadget

PS - Crawfordjohn is the next parish to Wiston and Roberton. See:

http://scotlandsfamily.com/parish-map-lanark.htm

Note that Jean/Jane and sometimes Janet were used synonymously

[Gadget]

and a marriage 

4 June 1824 James Ramage to Mary Stodart, Crawfordjohn, Lanarkshire

[Gadget]

Mary and James also had a son, Thomas Ramage bpt. Crawfordjohn on 6th March 1826.