1851/1861 Census Donovan

[Eyesee]

Not sure what others think, but I would be inclined to believe what is on the marriage certificate, rather than the death certificate, the main reason for this being the people are giving the information themselves. Michael may not have met his grandfather and believed his name was Jeremiah. Bit confusing when there are different families that all have kids the same age with the same names.

The Bridget in the marriage cert is more than likely the same Bridget in 1851 daughter of Patrick and Mary.

Ian C

[hamiltonhunt]

HI Ian C

I know what you're saying but I'm just not sure I've got the right Michael Buckley and Bridget Donovan. With the informant being a son/daughter, I give more credence to that more distant relatives or neighbours. Otherwise I might be more inclined to go that route.

I think the names are too common and I don't have a definiite idea of where in England they were or if in fact if they did marry in England. All of these are assumptions and I'm just not ready to make that leap.

I'm not sure what other people think but I'm really hoping I can find something else to give me a little more confidence that that. Wha, I have no idea....

[hamiltonhunt]

Hi Ian

I apologize if I sounded abrupt in my last response, I didn't mean to.

I hope to find corroboration to support either the names on the census/marriage certificate or the death certificate to verify if these are the correct Michael and Bridget. Do you have any suggestions? Possibly RC church records  but don't know how to access them or if they would have further information. Or their children's birth/baptism records. Four children were born in England before they emigrated to Ontario. I think I may have found them in the indexes.

Here are the Canadian censuses:


FEDERAL CENSUS OF CANADA 1871 only shows heads of family:

Ontario, Canada Census Index
Buckley, Michael, 40 (abt 1831), Ireland, Roman Catholic, Irish, Labourer, M, Renfrew South (81), McNab (A),
Div 2, Roll C-10020, Page 8, Head of Household
Ref: RG 31 Statistics Canada


FEDERAL CENSUS OF CANADA 1881 shows family members:

Canada, South Renfrew, Divisions/Township of McNab, Page 52 & 53, House 201
Buckley, Michael, M, 46, Ireland, Catholic, Irish, Labourer, M
Buckley, Bridget, F, 39, England, Catholic, English, M
Buckley, Mary, F, 17, England, Catholic, Irish?
Buckley, Michael, M,15, England, Catholic, Irish
<<Timothy on 1891, not on 1881, I believe he may have come over to US with relatives as Timothy Donovan Buckley??>>
Buckley, Edward, M, 13, England, Catholic, Irish
Buckley, Margaret, F, 11, Ontario, Catholic, Irish
Buckley, Bridget, F, 18, Ontario, Catholic, Irish
Buckley, Patrick, M, 6, Ontario, Catholic, Irish
Buckley, James, M, 4, Ontario, Catholic, Irish
Buckley, Elizabeth, F, 1, Ontario, Catholic, Irish


FEDERAL CENSUS OF CANADA 1891 shows family members:

Ontario, 114 South Renfrew, S. District of McNab, Div 2, Page 22 & 23, Family 95
Buckley, Michael, M, 56, M, _, Ireland, Ireland, Ireland, RC, Labourer
Buckley, Bridget, F, 50, W, England, Ireland, England, RC, Labourer
<<Mary not listed, married George Buckley one month later>>
Buckley, Michael, M, 24, S, England, Ireland, England RC, Shanty & Sawmill Labour
Buckley, Timothy, M, 22, S, England, Ireland, England, RC, Shanty & Sawmill Labour
<<Buckley, Edward not shown, possibly working elsewhere or died?>>
Buckley, Margaret, F, 20, D, Ontario, Ireland, England, RC, Servant
Buckley, Bridget, F, 17, D, Ontario, Ireland, England, RC, Servant
Buckley, Patrick, M, 15, S, Ontario, Ireland, England, RC,  _
Buckley, James, M, 13, S, Ontario, Ireland, England, RC,  _
Buckley, Elisabeth, F, 11, D, Ontario, Ireland, England, RC,  _
Buckley, Moras M, 9, S, Ontario, Ireland, England, RC, _   <<actual name was Maurice>>

Thanks
J

[Eyesee]

1901 Census Canada
Renfrew South, Ontario
BUCHLEY Bridget, F, Head, W, 1841, 59, England 1870
BUCHLEY, Michel, M, son, S, 28 Sep 1867, 33, England, 1870, Barber
BUCHLEY, James, M, son, S, 29 Sep 1878, 22, Canadian, -, Labourer
BUCHLEY, Josephine, F, dau, S, 7 Dec 1880, 20, Canadian
BUCHLEY, Morris, M, son, S, 5 Apr 1882, 18, Canadian

From FreeBMD
Michael BUCKLEY, Sep qtr 1867, Whitechapel, 1c 382 fits with Michael born 28 Sep 1867 in 1901 census

1911
Township of McNab, Renfrew South, Ontario
BUCKLEY Bridget, F, head, W, Sept 1831, 69, England
BUCKLEY, Michel, M, son, Mar, Sept 1867, 43, England, Barber
next page
BUCKLEY ??, F, daughter in law, Mar, Apr 1874, 37, Canadian
BUCKLEY Morris, M, son, S, Apr 1883, 28, Canadian, Conductor(Railway)
BUCKLEY Thomas Michael, M, grandson, S, Jun/Jan 1909, 2, Canadian
BUCKLEY John, M, grandson, S, Jan/Jun 1910, 11/12, Canadian
+ a boarder

Bridget's age is right but birthyear out by 10 years

Ian C

[Eyesee]

Timothy BUCKLEY in 1911 gives his birth as August 1868, which would fit with a birth Sep qtr 1868, Poplar, 1c 673. He has a son Donovan, so am guessing it is the right Timothy.

Michael gives his parents as Michael BUCKLEY and Bridget DONOVAN when he marries Mary Alice CALLAGHAN on 14 Oct 1907, and so does Timothy when he marries Josephine CHARBONNEAU on Feb 5 1894.

Ian C

[hamiltonhunt]

Thanks Ian....

It's amazing what a new set of eyes see. I had Timothy's birthdate Aug 1868 from the 1911 census as a hidden alternate birthdate, I also have a BMD noted beside it which is a bit later than I would expect. I also have a note beside Mary. I do get totally confused with the areas of England/London so I have no idea if the three different districts make any sense. I'm sure I have a link somewhere to a decent map or listing but can;t put my fingers on it....

I have a possible arrival for a Timothy Buckley in Boston in 1875 from "the Search for Missing Friends, by B Emer O'Keefe, Source Publication 6395.13, Pg 524 but haven't located the actual record yet, just the Ancestry listing.

Mary    BMD Jan-Mar Poplar 1c 706

Timothy   BMD Jan-Mar 1869 Shoreditch 1c 78

So that's Whitechapel, Poplar and Shoreditch. Can I rule any out? I 'm going to order the Timothy Donovan Buckley for sure because of the middle name. I have a list a mile long of certificates I want to order, I just can't justify most of them. Dollars are lean right now, I spent a small fortune on Northern Ireland records a while back.

I know I was doing a lot of reading about Isle of Dogs. I think I'm researching too many legs at one time in too many areas, they are getting blurry....

Thanks
J

[hamiltonhunt]

Oops, forgot to note the BMD listing you found for Timothy.
So that narrows it down to Poplar and possibly Whitechapel for Michael, that sounds a bit better....

Timothy     Sep qtr 1868, Poplar, 1c 673

[hamiltonhunt]

I'm beginning to think the Edward listed on the Ganges Passenger List  is Timothy's first or second name. I don't know why it has taken so long for me to clue in. i kept wondering what was going on...

I haven't found it listed anywhere but it has always seemed odd that they would have the one child arrive with someone else. The 1911 census does indicate 1875 but that's possibly just a mistake.

It looks like somewhere between 1881 Census and the 1891 Census he decided to go by Timothy. The BMD record you found was for Timothy so will just have to oider that certificate.

On the 1911 census for Michael Buckley, the son, I think  the question mark supposed to be Mary Alice. MIchael married Mary Alice Callaghan. I found a lot of records on the family in the Druoin Collection in Arnprior, St Chrystostome Church.

[Eyesee]

See what you mean about the Drouin Collection. Very extensive. Michael died in 1893, but his death is not in the Ontario deaths, same with the childrens births.

Ian C