Hi Stringbean and Dave,
Well, after hours and hours of searching and thinking I think I might have sorted it!
Dave (or any other kind soul following the thread), as Stringbean hasn't got access to the census yet, would you be good enough to check this out and see if you agree, please.
I couldn't find them anywhere, on the 1891 census - as a family, that is.
Or, a marriage for Thomas Hollingworth/Hollingsworth to a Mary before the birth of John and Lewin.
Tried looking for info on Thomas, but didn't find anything to help.
Looked through census before 1901,
and for clues using names on 1911 census.
So, I thought I'd have a look for the baptisms of John, Lewin and Lily on the Notts FHS baptism cd - nothing again!
Tried everyone option I could think of, but none of the surnames fitted!
Left it for the night and went to bed!
Woke this morning, and not wanting to be defeated and disappoint Stringbean and her/his mum, I thought about what I could look at next for clues. Knowing that the family were living with John Glenn, from Lincolnshire, on the 1901 census I thought I would explore him - see who he married, etc.
His birthplace varies - Bourne, Thurlby (Lincolnshire). He married Sarah Avery in 1866 Grantham District.
Still, nothing coming up - no marriages for a Glenn or Avery to a Hollingsworth/Hollingworth.
Finally, I thought I'd go back to the baptisms and Freebdm to look at the births of John and Lewin again. I hadn't been able to find Lewin's birth registration last night - there was one that could have been John's. So, I thought I would have a look for any John and Lewin's born at that time, without a surname. Two baptisms came up, in Beeston, but the parents' names were Benjamin and Mary Ann - surname MOORE.
No Lily though, in 1895.
Not other likely ones anywhere!
Investigating a bit further I decided to find out who Benjamin Moore had married - looking a few years before the birth of John in 1885. And, I found a marriage in Sep qtr of 1884:
Benjamin Moore to Mary Ann Glen Basford 7b 136
(Found the following on
www.familysearch.org:
Mary Ann Glenn baptised 28 Jun 1868 Closterworth, Lincolnshire
Father: John Glenn Mother: Sarah Batch: C013379).
Went back to the birth registrations and found:
John Moore Jun qtr 1885
Lewin Moore Mar qtr 1887
So, I thought 'I wonder.....' and found this:
Marriages Mar qtr 1898:
Thomas Hollingworth to Mary Moore Basford 7b 157
Thought, this is looking good, but where is Lily's birth registration, and eventually found:
Births Mar qtr 1896
Lily Hollingworth Moore
Basford 7b 211.
So, if I am right Mary Ann was a relative of John Glenn's (not worked that out yet) and that's the reason they were living with him in 1891. John and his family were already in Beeston, on Windsor Terrace, in 1881, but it looks as if Sarah his wife died sometime between 1881 and 1891 (though I haven't found her death yet) - he is described as a widower on the 1891 census. Mary Ann's husband Benjamin Moore dies in 1892:
Deaths Mar qtr 1892:
Moore Benjamin 32 Nottingham 7b 179
Now whether Mary Ann moves in with John, her relative, at this stage (both being on their own), or later we do not know. But, she meets Thomas and they have Lily in 1895/6 and then marry at the beginning of 1898.
In 1901 Thomas and Mary Ann are still living(as a separate household) with John Glenn in Windsor Street, Beeston.
I notice, too that a couple called Elizabeth and Lewin Avery, from Lincolnshire, live nearby - they were born 189 and 1820, and may be John's wife's parents.
Anyway, this is what I think happend, but please feel free to say otherwise if you think I've got it wrong, or find them elsewhere.
Stringbean, I'll see if I can find them in 1911 for you, too.
Back soon.
Love Paulene x
