Finding a Jones!

[cosmac]

The attached is from the 1891 census.  Your Elizabeth does look like they have her as married.  People who are related to the heads of the household on census have, in my experience, been noted as lodgers so I wouldn't discount James as Elizabeth's husband.  It is relatively inexpensive to find out with the marriage certificate.

In what area of the US do you have Peter and family on the 1870 census?

Debbie

[LaviniaJ]

The attached is from the 1891 census.  Your Elizabeth does look like they have her as married.  People who are related to the heads of the household on census have, in my experience, been noted as lodgers so I wouldn't discount James as Elizabeth's husband.  It is relatively inexpensive to find out with the marriage certificate.

In what area of the US do you have Peter and family on the 1870 census?

Debbie

Thanks for your help Debbie.  I just had a look at the copy of the 1881 census that I have and it looks as though you're right.  It has Peter and Mary Jane, then James Schofield 23 and Elizabeth Schofield 24, then Elizabeth Hague and Sarah Ann Wild.  I'd never made this connection  of James and Elizabeth.  It also says Mary Jane is from Nova scotia.   Elizabeth is a cotton winder but I can't quite make out James' occupation - is it Waiter, domestic servant?.  Also, do you have any idea what the "No. of schedule" means?  I take it as meaning that they are different families/individuals in the one house, as people often shared houses and even rooms in those days.
Can't find all the family for the 1850 US census, but I have a note of Lavinia, age 3, in Buffalo Ward 2, Erie, New York and I've also written that she was born in New York-no other details. Obviously, none of the other children were born then.
I haven't sent for any certificates since I'm never sure if I'm close enough to the person and don't want to waste my money with wrong info.

Thanks again

Modified to add - just found my record of 1870 US census.  We have Peter Jones, 41, Mary Jones 40, Lavinia 22 and William Jones 15, living in Erie, New York.  But how could they be in the US if they were all back in Stockport where Lavinia was married in 1869!  Maybe they were time travellers!!!  Or had their own Tardis and travelled with Dr. Who.  OK< being silly now, but how can you be in 2 places at once? The plot thickens!

[J.J.]

Hmmm...might you have the wrong marriage then? Not that it was unusual for people of means to travel back & forth but usually they'd be staying with rellies in 2nd instance. Plus a newly married daughter back with family? If they'd seperated... Have you looked for them all in 1871 u.k. as well, especially Lavinia? Looking back, I see Debbie found them in the U.K. 1871...some pondering to do on that one, that's for sure...

Nice work in making the association on the 1881 Debbie...

[polarbear]

Do you have young Elizabeth with the family unit in the 1870 US Census?

Polarbear

[cosmac]

On the 1850 US census there is a Lavinia Jones, age 3 in Buffalo Ward 2, Erie, New York but she is the daughter of Isaac A. Jones (37) b. New York and his wife Lavinia (32) b. New York and sister to Caroline (12), Sarah (6) both born New York.  I can find no record of Peter or Mary Jones or either William or Lavinia in the US census for 1850.  On the 1870 US census the Lavinia born New York is still living in the same district with her parents.

I can't find your family on the 1870 US census in Erie, New York.  Do you have them all together in one household?  Mary should be easy to find on the US census with a birthplace of Nova Scotia or Canada but I haven't had any luck.  I did find a William Jones, 22, in Buffalo, Ward 5, Erie New York but he is the son of Robert and Jane Jones.

Did any of these possibilities in the 1850 and 1870 US census come via ancestry leaves?  I find most of their suggestions not even close to accurate.

There is a good possibility for William Jones on the 1871 British census.  RG101164 126 2
Carrisbrooke Hampshire in District Parkhouse Prison as a prisoner - William Jones, single, 23, common labourer born abt 1844 in America.  His entry from the 1871 census is attached.

Debbie

Amended to add - forgot we had found William in the 1871 census with his parents in Stockport!  We all have our DUH moments. 

[cosmac]

Lavinia Royle is in Stockport Cheshire on the 1881 census at 4 Stringer Yard but her name is recorded as Selina.  TG 11 3482 3820
Alfred (37) b. Stockport, Selina (33) b. New York America, Elijah (13) b. Manchester Lancashire,
Mary H. (9) b. Stockport, Martha A (6) b. Stockport, Margaret (3) b. Stockport.

Lavina and Alfred are in Stockport in 1901 RG13 3297 158 5
Her birth is recorded as America British Subject.  Children Fred (13) and Martha A. (9) are living with them.

Debbie

[cosmac]

In 1861 Mary (44) b. Nova Scotia is living in Birmington Cheshire at 1 Backwater Street with 13 year old Lavina and 6 year old George - both born Nova Scotia and 1 year old Elizabeth.
RG9 2571 23 40

Where is Peter?  There is a P Jones b. 1828 Stockport Cheshire but classified as unmarried in Fulwood Lancashire at the Fulwood Barracks Preston RG9 3144 101 25.  The regiments is noted in the image.

[J.J.]

Either this was a typo in 1861 or they may have had a falling out period...she might not have wanted to follow the military lifestyle anymore....or it might have been permanent and she was naming a husband for her protection, which also happens we've found with some widows...( and visa versa, saying they are widows, when they've split or the hubby's bolted...Did he die near home?

He'd have been there for this incident...just for interesting reading...
Fulwood Barracks at Preston....
The barracks themselves had been completed in 1848 and served as the station for a number of units between 1848 and 1881. Notably, in the 1860s, it was occupied by the 11th Depot Battalion, which served as depot unit for 11th Hussars and of the 1st/10th, 2nd/10th, 1st/11th, 32nd, 41st and 55th Regiments of Foot. In 1861, Private Patrick McCaffery, a 19-year old private with 32nd Regiment shot and killed the Depot's commander, Colonel Hugh Crofton, and Depot's adjutant, Captain John Hanham, with a single shot. The incident began over the McCaffery's punishment for failing to vigorously pursue an investigation into some children who had broken some windows at the barracks. McCaffery was tried and convicted at the Liverpool Assizes. He was executed on 11 January 1862. It is said that since that time, his ghost haunts the officer's mess at Fulwood barracks.[12]

[J.J.]

The 41st regiment of foot was finished in Canada by 1815 so if he was in the military which looks likely...he must have transferred over from another regiment...
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~crossroads/regiments/regiments-infantry.html

The 8th the 14th 16th 38th 42nd Regiments of foot were known to be stationed in Nova Scotia at that time...
However, reading through...several other also were sent there just before heading back to U.K.

I guess we have strayed from your original query, to find the surname for Mary Jane...but the ball's in your court to get Elizabeth's birth cert...
It's been a while as I've said, but if you state all three and say the father is known to be Peter, do they not charge you only for the one they find with Peter as father?