MCGEORGE family

[Jeansgirl]

Very many thanks, Anne.  It all makes very interesting reading.  I  didn't mention , but you may already know, that the John McGeorge who married Agnes Seaton has a memorial (202) in Urr next to your John McGeorge(204) who married Jane Baxter. With Jane Baxter living to age of 101 & 8months, no doubt she had some tales to tell.
Regards S

[annemaj]

Yes, I do know about the MIs as I have access to a book which has transcripts of all the MIs in Urr.    If you want anyone looked up just let me know.    I also have access to books with MI transcripts for places around Urr.    When I first found out that Jean Baxter lived to such an age I thought it was a mistake!    Elizabeth McGeorge never married again after James Murray died, so she was a long time a widow.    One of her brothers, William, also came to Australia in the 1850s and I have his death certificate from New South Wales.    I wonder if that influenced James Murray to follow his uncle and take the trip to Oz?
Cheers,
Anne

[KC]

Hi Jeansgirl and Anne,
This is what I have on Thomas McGeorge and Jean Nicholson
   
Descendants of Thomas McGeorge


Generation No. 1

1.  THOMAS1 MCGEORGE was born Abt. 1769 in Scotland, and died 27 Nov 1832 in Mill Hall, Urr KKD Sct1.  He married JANE NICHOLSON.  She was born Abt. 1779 in Scotland, and died 26 May 1849 in Mill Hall, Urr KKD Sct1.

Notes for THOMAS MCGEORGE:
Kirkpatrick Durham MI  (as transcribed in the booklet)
imo Thomas McGeorge, d Mill Hall 27.11.1832, 63
w Jane Nicholson d Mill Hall 26.5.1849, 70
s Wm d Springholm 14.11.1863 55

More About THOMAS MCGEORGE:
Burial: Nov 1832, Kirkpatrick Durham, KKD Sct
Family: 13
Occupation: farmer
Residence: Mill Hall, Urr

More About JANE NICHOLSON:
Burial: May 1849, Kirkpatrick Durham, KKD Sct
Family: 13
   
Children of THOMAS MCGEORGE and JANE NICHOLSON are:
   i.   MARY2 MCGEORGE, b. Abt. 25 Mar 1803, Irongray, KKD, Sct2.

More About MARY MCGEORGE:
Family: 13

   ii.   WILLIAM MCGEORGE, b. Abt. 28 Aug 1804, Irongray, KKD, Sct2; d. 14 Nov 1862, Springholm, Urr, KKD, Sct3.

Notes for WILLIAM MCGEORGE:
Kirkpatrick Durham MI  (as transcribed in the booklet)
imo Thomas McGeorge, d Mill Hall 27.11.1832, 63
w Jane Nicholson d Mill Hall 26.5.1849, 70
s Wm d Springholm 14.11.1863 55

1841 census
Urr Mill Hall
William McGeorge  30  farmer
Jean Nicholson    60

1851 census
Kelton, Potterland Mill
John Bell   51
Elizabeth  45   Urr
William McGeorge   45 bil  ag lab    Irongray


(Elisa Bell 43 
Elisa Bell 18 
James C Bell 16 
John Bell 51 
John M C Bell 10 
Mary Bell 12 
Thomas Bell 14 
William Bell 7 
William McGeorge 45  ?
 
 


1861 census
Kelton, Potterland Mill
John Bell, HM 68 miller, Eng
Elizabeth   54      Urr
and family
William McGeorge  bil  56U  Irongray

Death certificate
Urr
14 Nov 1862
William McGeorge,  57yrs, house proprieter, single,  at Springholm
parents: Thomas McGeorge, small farmer  & dec & Jane Nicholson
cause: chronic bronchitis
informant: Elizabeth Bell, sister and sick nurse

More About WILLIAM MCGEORGE:
Burial: Nov 1862, Kirkpatrick Durham, KKD Sct4
Family: 13
Occupation: ag lab
Residence: Urr KKD Sct

   iii.   ELIZABETH MCGEORGE, b. Abt. 24 Aug 1807, Urr, KKD, Sct5; d. 06 Apr 1893, Wigan, LAN, Eng6; m. JOHN BELL, 1832, Urr, KKD, Sct; b. Abt. 1792, England7; d. 08 Jan 18648.

Notes for ELIZABETH MCGEORGE:
Urr Parish register
Scandals done away
Monday 24th August 1807
Bp to Thomas McGeorge and Jean Nicholson in Auchenreoch, a daughter christened Elizabeth and then presented the child for baptism, the father being under church... Elizabeth born Sunday 9 August 1807

Marriages
1832
John Bell and William McGeorge reperesenting his daughter Elizabeth McGeorge
John Bell and Elizabeth McGeorge

1841
Elizabeth Bell
Age: 34 
Born: Kirkcudbrightshire, Scotland

Springholm 
Urr 
Kirkcudbrightshire 
 
Elizabeth Bell 34 
Elizabeth Bell 9 
James Bell 7 
John Bell 44 
John Bell 1 
Mary Bell 75 
Mary Bell 3 
Thomas Bell 5 
Margaret Concha 15 
Agnes Ferguson 15 
 
1851 census
Kelton, Potterland Mill
John Bell   51
Elizabeth  45   Urr
William McGeorge   bil  ag lab    Irongray

1861 census
Kelton, Potterland Mill
John Bell, HM 68 miller, Eng
Elizabeth   54      Urr
and family
William McGeorge  bil  56U  Irongray


Crossmichael MIs (as transcibed by the Scottish Society )
#56 next to 40
Jas Bell d Auchenreoch Miln 10.3.1833, 76,
da Eliz d Crossmichael Miln 19.12.1815, 27
Prepare for death, make no delay, You see how youth is call'd away
w Mary Pearson d Auchenreaoch Miln 20.11.1841 78, gs
Jas Concar 4.6.1823 (fa Samuel Conchar, mason)
John Bell 8.1.1864 72
w Eliz McGeorge d Wigan 6.4.1893  86

#40
John Conchar d Over Arkland 19.12.1892 80,
w Janet Hyslop d Burnside Crossmichael 10.5.1887  72



More About ELIZABETH MCGEORGE:
Family: 13

More About JOHN BELL:
Family: 13



Endnotes

1.  MI.
2.  OPR.
3.  cert.
4.  MI.
5.  OPR.
6.  MI.
7.  census.
8.  MI.


cheers
Kay

[KC]

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just trying to work out your family
Where did your gggm Jane Tollan nee Bell get married and to whom?
How do you know Wilhemina was Jane's sister.  When and to whom did she marry.

How did you connect Jane with John Bell and Elizabeth McGeorge

It is so annoying that the English death certs don't have parents mentioned. Pity that Elizabeth did not die in Scotland.  There does not seem to be a death notice in the Dumfries newspapers

It certainly does seem if those the families are all connected as Jane did call her sons with the Christian including  Seaton and Bell
cheers
Kay

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[Jeansgirl]

Thank you both, Anne & Kay. I've got to go out in a short while, so I'll just stick to the Wilhelmina question for now. The 41 census had one Jane bell of right age in Crossmichael (my Jane gave this as birthplace in 51,61 &71) 3 other young adults, Robert,John & Wilhelmina (1826), also working away from home (separately)in Crossmichael.Siblings?
1851. Willie Bell,(1826)living Balmaghie with McMegn family, Dairymaid b Crossmichael.(couldn't find her for long time.Eventually'' Willie+1826+Scotland ''flushed her out)
1850  OPR Kirkbean Thomas Toolin (many different spellings!)of this parish & Jane Bell of Castle Douglas proclaimed for 3rd and last time (June 30)   Actually married ''July 5th 1851'' (sic. mistake ? ) 1850 in Castle Douglas (Info in birth certs of children 1868,1870)
1850  John Tollin son of Thomas Tollin & Jane Bell Castle Douglas  b 5/12, bap 11/12 (OPR Kelton)
1851 Jane Towland(head) living Castle Douglas with John 4 mths. No sign of Thomas.b ?? of Kirkend, Crossmichael
1855(9/12) Willy Bell m John Barnes-both of full age. Barton upon Irwell, Parish church of Eccles. John Widower, Willy spinster, both living PendleburyWillie's father, John Bell, Miller
1861 Pendlebury/Eccles. John 41, Wilhelmina 38 James 1? John 2 b Pendlebury
1864 Nov  . Toolans still living Scotland (Campsie)  In Nov 2nd child William (b 53)  died from lacerated arm (he worked in printworks) and 7th child born, within days. Child named William Bell Barnes Toolan
1865   Willie Barnes m Robert Worsley (widow & batchelor) He was drayman, she publican. Willie's father ''John Bell, Miller) St John's Church
1871Willie & Robert living in Bolton Rd, Pendlebury with her 2 sons(& his niece)
1881.Willie & Robert living  88 North Road, Pendlebury.Toolans living 2 doors away.
I do not know for sure that Willie is Jane's sister. Evidence circumstantial ! Robert(41 Crossmichael ) one of the 4 young adults turned out to be son of William & Jane (nee Johnstone), and as they were of an age to have kids flown the nest, they were my prime candidates for some time. Willie & Jane could also be life long friends ??
Connection John Bell  the Miller & Elizabeth McGeorge ??  MI & census. 'My ' Jane in 41 was living with Margaret Brolochan who was mother of Agnes. John Bell of Crossmichael Miln & Agnes had baby John 1820 (OpR) John's sister(MI) died at Crossmichael Miln, in 1815, so presumably their address before Potterland.
Must go.

[KC]

I have just across this on the Gould Book shop web site (Adelaide, Australia)
The Bell Family in Dumfreisshire                       

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This work is an extremely thorough study of the Bell family, and works through branch by branch, parish by parish. In all the author discusses over 29 different branches of the family ...
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You maybe able to get  it closer to where you live
Kay

[KC]

Kelton headstone

I am not sure if this helps or hinders!

Kay

[Jeansgirl]

Thankyou Kay for both those points. I do have Vols 1 (since yesterday) ,2,3 and 5 of MIs, but I'd rather be told than miss out . I've also got Wm Rafferty's will, but it doesn't shed any light on any possible stepchildren, such as Willy, Jane. As William's first wife died in 1837,and Agnes appears with him in 1841,  Agnes too had time to have other children, after the 1820 baby (don't know what happened to him) (Or a 3rd woman, neither Agnes nor Elizabeth McG ? ) And that would mean Jane was living with her grandmother in 41. But no records for this either. And it would suggest a failed relationship (in small community) or divorce, which seems hardly likely in those times.  Jane's children were called Margaret Grant, Janet, Agnes Jane & Annie. No ''Elizabeth'' (but I need to check infant deaths between censuses)
Have you come across the accounts which show rent owing/jobs/repairs at Potterland Mill, concerning John Bell Miller( wife Elizabeth McGeorge) in 1850 ?
Can't lay my hand on the papers right this second.!
Really grateful for this input. Cheers.

[Jeansgirl]

I've finally found those papers. John Bell, wife of the other Elizabeth McGeorge of Urr, appears in ''Account of Charge & Discharge:James Lidderdale, Writer, Castle Douglas with Mr Maxwell of Orchardton''. (http://www.buittle.org.uk) The accounts mention John Bell, tenant of Potterland Mill several times. Years mentioned, 1855,1856.
S.